Nvidia's AD104 RTX 4070 Ti GPU core has been pictured

Nvidia's AD104 core is half the size of the GPU core used for Nvidia's RTX 4090

Nvidia's AD104 RTX 4070 Ti GPU core has been pictured

Here's an up close look at Nvidia's RTX 4070 Ti GPU

Thanks to MEGAsizeGPU on Twitter, we have gotten a look at the GPU core behind Nvidia's upcoming RTX 4070 Ti, or to put it another way, the GPU core behind Nvidia's 'unlaunced' RTX 4080 12GB. This GPU core is AD104, and it is less than half the size of the AD102 core that Nvidia's RTX 4090 is based on. 

With a GPU core that is less than half the size of AD102, it can be assumed that the silicon manufacturing costs for Nvidia's AD104 based graphics cards are significantly lower than for Nvidia's AD102 base RTX 4090. Smaller die sizes allow for greater area utilisation of silicon wafers and lowers the impact that wafer defects have on silicon yields, making smaller chips cheaper to produce than larger ones. This factor is the primary reason why many companies have invested in multi-die chip designs in recent years, as it is cheaper to produce multiple smaller chips than it is to create larger monolithic products.

Nvidia's AD104 GPU core reportedly has up to 60 SMs (Streaming Multiprocessors), giving Nvidia's AD104 based GPUs a maximum of 7680 CUDA cores, 240 Tensor Cores, an 60 RT (Ray Tracing) cores. This core is also known to have a 192-bit memory bus, which means that consumer-grade RTX products using this silicon will support up to 12GB of GDDR6X memory. Like Nvidia's other Ada-based GPU designs, AD104 is manufactured using TSMC's 4N lithography node.

Nvidia's AD104 RTX 4070 Ti GPU core has been pictured

Nvidia is expected to reveal their first AD104 based graphics card at CES 2023. This graphics card is Nvidia's rumoured RTX 4070 Ti graphics card, the GPU that replaced Nvidia's "unlaunched" RTX 4080 12GB. At CES, Nvidia is also expected to reveal RTX 40 series mobile GPUs. 

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30-11-2022, 19:38:04

dazbobaby
I'm going to guess a price of around £1200Quote

30-11-2022, 23:20:25

smilertoo
Any more than £549 it should be left on shelves.Quote

01-12-2022, 06:29:55

Peace
I mean, I payed 520EUR for my 1070 back in the days. It's hard to believe that a 4070 Ti will release for 550GBP (=636EUR) these days.Quote

01-12-2022, 11:42:39

AngryGoldfish
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Originally Posted by Peace Ð View Post
I mean, I payed 520EUR for my 1070 back in the days. It's hard to believe that a 4070 Ti will release for 550GBP (=636EUR) these days.
Yeah, I agree. I think people are expecting the glory days to continue indefinitely. That's just not realistic. Inflation is real. Wafer costs are real. Exchange rates and VAT increases are real. The idea of a 4070Ti costing £550 today is impossible.

On the flipside, what is absurd is, if it's £1000 or more, which is what the 4080 12GB would have been if Nvidia had their way. The 3080 cost was around £700. The 4080 16GB (which is a way smaller die) is £1300. That's an enormous price increase. If the 4080 16GB was £800, that would not be totally unrealistic or absurd. It would suck and I'd never be able to afford it, but I can't afford a lot of things I used to be able to afford. Inflation has gone up but my wages haven't. But the idea of a 4080 16GB being £700 still would be dreamland territory.Quote

01-12-2022, 12:19:04

AlienALX
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Originally Posted by AngryGoldfish View Post
Yeah, I agree. I think people are expecting the glory days to continue indefinitely. That's just not realistic. Inflation is real. Wafer costs are real. Exchange rates and VAT increases are real. The idea of a 4070Ti costing £550 today is impossible.

On the flipside, what is absurd is, if it's £1000 or more, which is what the 4080 12GB would have been if Nvidia had their way. The 3080 cost was around £700. The 4080 16GB (which is a way smaller die) is £1300. That's an enormous price increase. If the 4080 16GB was £800, that would not be totally unrealistic or absurd. It would suck and I'd never be able to afford it, but I can't afford a lot of things I used to be able to afford. Inflation has gone up but my wages haven't. But the idea of a 4080 16GB being £700 still would be dreamland territory.
This. People simply don't get it.

I was going to post something like this the other day but got distracted with workload.

Any way, yeah, people need to understand the logistics here. I was having a trip down memory lane the other day and looked up a CPU I bought in 2001.

https://i.imgur.com/3ElWhGz.jpg

An AMD Duron. It was their "even cheaper than a Sempron" CPU released in the late 90s and carried on for about three years. Any way, if you look at the exposed die on that? 180nm People need to think about that for a moment. As a 5nm die? that would look like a grain of salt.

The problem is that competition has been high, and as usual companies like Nvidia need to innovate even when innovation is not needed due to the games. Those? will ALWAYS be held back by consoles. As such in this day and age you do not need to buy a GPU for about 5 years. If you consider that 10 years ago your GPU would be theoretically useless after about a year? yeah.

Demands increase year on year. As such? AMD and Nvidia need to meet those demands. And it is getting harder and harder and more and more expensive.

If you think for a moment how cheap a 180nm wafer would have been (pennies on the dollar) and how tiny that die is and how many they would have got from that wafer?

Those CPUs, from memory, were about £60-£80 IIRC. And they were as crude as oil. No IHS, literally nothing to stop you cracking the die apart from 4 little pads.

So I reiterate. It will not get better, and it will not get cheaper, and those days like you say are long gone.

People need to now focus on the GPUs that actually matter. And are affordable. Those are the ones where the innovation will bring rewards. Flagships? are flagships. They are not meant for you and the minute people realise that the better.

Not every one can afford a Ferrari. Not every one can afford a Lambo. But that's OK, as most people "get" that. People just aren't getting that there are technology products not meant for them, and expect Nvidia to be able to sell them those products at prices they can afford. It isn't going to happen, and the sooner people wake up and realise that? the better.

Which means it is time (though it never will be tbh) for reviewers and the like to start acting responsibly and making people understand these caveats. But they won't, will they?

It's the same reason why 13 year olds are stabbing each other to death in the streets over a pair of trainers. Because they simply don't understand that £150 trainers are not meant for them.Quote
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