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AMD rumoured to ship 12nm 'Polaris 30' GPUs in October

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AMD rumoured to ship 12nm 'Polaris 30' GPUs in October

AMD rumoured to ship 12nm 'Polaris 30' GPUs in October

The Linux boffins over at Phoronix have uncovered something interesting in the company's latest AMDGPU Linux kernel patches; a new Polaris series part called the 0x6FDF.

AMD first introduced their Polaris series hardware in 2016, over two years ago, a time where Nvidia's longlived Pascal architecture as new-fangled. This new Polaris product ID has not appeared anywhere before, suggesting that AMD is working on a new Polaris-based product, reigniting rumours of a "Polaris 30" graphics chip. 

At this time it is unknown what this new product is, with some suggesting that AMD plans to remake their Polaris Architecture on GlobalFoundries 12nm node, offering an expected performance uplift of around 15%. In theory, this will be enough to allow a hypothetical RX 680 (12nm RX 580) to comfortably outperform Nvidia's GTX 1060 6GB in modern gaming title. It is also possible for AMD to deliver other small design tweaks that will enable enhanced performance, similar to AMD's Ryzen 2nd Generation processors, perhaps by introducing a new Turbo clock/boost system or by lowering the latencies of some of Polaris' internal caches. While AMD could use TSMC to create a 12nm Polaris part, the company is more likely to use Globalfoundries thanks to 12nm's physical similarities to their existing 14nm node.      

Creating a new Polaris series graphics card will allow AMD to offer higher performance levels at a low price point, creating what is likely to be an excellent mid-range graphics card that will juxtapose Nvidia's costly RTX series. The disadvantages of using Polaris over Vega are obvious, given Vega's support for Rapid Packed Math and other hardware features like DSBR, though using Polaris will make the transition to 12nm simpler, assuming that AMD plans to create a GPU that has a design that is similar, almost identical, to Polaris 10/20, rather than an entirely new product.  

AMD rumoured to ship 12nm 'Polaris 30' GPUs in October  


AMD's GPU roadmap has remained a mystery for quite some time, making it unclear when to expect next-generation Navi-based products from the company. While AMD has grown a lot in recent years, the company's R&D funds remain lower than both Intel and Nvidia, which makes it difficult for the company to design a large range of new products, especially given their stakes in both the CPU and GPU markets. 

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24-09-2018, 10:37:33

AngryGoldfish
Hmmm... we've heard rumours of another Polaris release before, though they usually hinted at a wholly new graphics chip altogether, basically a Polaris 10 with more compute units. If it's just a refresh, I don't know how many more gamers can take when AMD is so far behind (either in performance, TDP, or timing) in so many other markets and sectors. It's like an admittance of defeat, almost. I agree with what you're saying in the article, Mark, that this could be a decent competitor to midrange RTX/GTX, but it could be hard for budget enthusiast gamers to get behind. I think it would have to offer something other than a slight performance boost.Quote

24-09-2018, 10:37:45

RobM
couple typos Mark
Para 2 line 2 as to was and amd working on a Pascal- based?Quote

24-09-2018, 10:57:53

WYP
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couple typos Mark
Para 2 line 2 as to was and amd working on a Pascal- based?
Thanks for the spot fella, fixed.

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Originally Posted by AngryGoldfish View Post
Hmmm... we've heard rumours of another Polaris release before, though they usually hinted at a wholly new graphics chip altogether, basically a Polaris 10 with more compute units. If it's just a refresh, I don't know how many more gamers can take when AMD is so far behind (either in performance, TDP, or timing) in so many other markets and sectors. It's like an admittance of defeat, almost. I agree with what you're saying in the article, Mark, that this could be a decent competitor to midrange RTX/GTX, but it could be hard for budget enthusiast gamers to get behind. I think it would have to offer something other than a slight performance boost.
I agree with what you are saying, as in an ideal world Polaris shouldn't be a three-year architecture from AMD. That being said, not that many people care about TDP aside from the fact that it looks nice on a graph. The cost of electricity from a more power hungry video card is hardly enough to bankrupt a person.

If AMD wants a cheap refresh, the can do a Ryzen 2nd Gen with Polaris. Transition to 12nm with a minimal tweaking. It really depends on how far out AMD's Next-gen architecture is, and when we will see low-mid-range offerings that use it.

With such silence from Radeon, it is hard to do anything aside from speculate at this point. All we know about Navi for certain is that it targets 2019 and it will be using TSMC's 7nm.

Hopefully we will see AMD do a major driver overhaul soon, they like to do BIG driver releases every year, so it is about time for that. Adrenalin Xtreme Edition, lol.Quote

24-09-2018, 11:03:33

AngryGoldfish
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Originally Posted by WYP View Post
I agree with what you are saying, as in an ideal world Polaris shouldn't be a three-year architecture from AMD. That being said, not that many people care about TDP aside from the fact that it looks nice on a graph. The cost of electricity from a more power hungry video card is hardly enough to bankrupt a person.

If AMD wants a cheap refresh, the can do a Ryzen 2nd Gen with Polaris. Transition to 12nm with a minimal tweaking. It really depends on how far out AMD's Next-gen architecture is, and when we will see low-mid-range offerings that use it.

With such silence from Radeon, it is hard to do anything aside from speculate at this point. All we know about Navi for certain is that it targets 2019 and it will be using TSMC's 7nm.

Hopefully we will see AMD do a major driver overhaul soon, they like to do BIG driver releases every year, so it is about time for that. Adrenalin Xtreme Edition, lol.
But I think people do care about TDP. It's not about the cost of electricity. As you know, TDP is going to affect temperatures and overclocking headroom as well, which in turn affects noise levels. People use these graphs to decide what card to buy. If Vega 64 had the same TDP as the GTX 1080, it would have been far more successful. If the RX 580 had the same TDP as the GTX 1060, it would be a far more successful GPU, at least in my estimation. It's not necessarily because gamers are conscious of their power draw and electricity bills, it's that it helps them determine who is the better of the two when all other factors are equal. The RX 580 and GTX 1060 are basically identical in performance and price, but the GTX wins in efficiency. Even for gamers who don't care at the end of the day, that could break the tie.Quote

24-09-2018, 13:42:44

Dicehunter
Interesting, I may upgrade the 580 in my HTPC if it is a 680, While only really a 1060 replacement it's welcome if the price is right.Quote
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