Nvidia Maxwell GTX 750 Ti Review

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nVidia GTX750Ti Review

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nVidia GTX750Ti Review  

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18-02-2014, 08:47:27

tinytomlogan
http://www.overclock3d.net/gfx/artic...115742569l.jpg

The first Maxwell card is upon us in the shape of the GTX750Ti. We take a look at how it performs.

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18-02-2014, 09:13:53

SieB
Awww, it's so tiny

I wonder if they can carry the same amount power efficiency throughout the whole range of Maxwell? Would be good to see a high end card that is about as efficient as a mid range card. Only thing is we might end up with a Ivy bridge/Haswell situation where once you overclock them the heat will go up quite a bit.

AMD have got some catching up to do power efficiency wise if the high end Maxwell cards are just as efficient as this.

18-02-2014, 09:15:14

Dicehunter
I may have to get one of these for an HTPC build

18-02-2014, 09:15:39

barnsley
It looks a bit on the ugly side :I. Guess thats stock coolers for you. Its nice and efficient, perfect for a steambox, like the 650Ti's are/were .

18-02-2014, 09:29:35

Ghosthud1
Hopefully we'll be seeing very linear power gains when scaling maxwell up, would be massive for nvidia as i know the red side of things are looking toasty and power hungry.

17% less CUDA cores, 38% less TAUs and less power from the wall whilst being around 20% faster than a 650ti on average is kinda epic.

Around 40w less than a 265, but the 265 packs more of a punch. I've got a feeling most gamers will be looking at the 265, if you can actually get one that is.

We all know that AMD's price's on paper are very different in reality :P

18-02-2014, 09:36:08

Dicehunter
Linustechtips also covered the Asus version of the card -

http://i.imgur.com/67eTiDW.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/LWFSrFG.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/zIL4brS.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/SHbCk2h.jpg

Actually outputs more frames as well due to better power delivery -

http://i.imgur.com/jt0i0oG.jpg

18-02-2014, 09:43:05

JR23
I think all of the higher cards will come out as the 8XX series and then this will be just be kicked down a rung to the 850 or 840 and sold exactly as it is, possibly with a clock tweak like we have seen before with the refresh lines. If they were to start bringing out 7XXM's they wouldn't be able to differentiate them from the mobile gpu's.

JR

18-02-2014, 09:43:12

barnsley
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dicehunter View Post



Actually outputs more frames as well due to better power delivery -

http://i.imgur.com/jt0i0oG.jpg
AMD are going to badly if they can't stop retailers being greedy and putting prices up on the new 265, which is basicallly the same performance as this. its supposed to cost 100.

18-02-2014, 09:46:28

ShaunB-91
Interesting little card, not a bad performer really. I've never looked at these lower end cards but if you aren't all for running games maxed out at 1440 then this seems like a winner.

18-02-2014, 09:56:56

SeekaX
Quote:
Originally Posted by barnsley View Post
AMD are going to badly if they can't stop retailers being greedy and putting prices up on the new 265, which is basicallly the same performance as this. its supposed to cost 100.
well, i don't know how much of a difference the power consumption will make but after a year or two i am pretty sure the 750ti would pay off anyways.
well, not really my territory, but if someone asked for a ~500$ build this is pretty interesting.

18-02-2014, 10:21:17

LiquidAtoR
Well, looking at the snapshot of the card it looks like it's possible to attach a powerconnector to the topright side (6 pin), which in turn would make this card much more viable to overclock.

I know the powerconsumption was the big issue (this card draws alot less), but with possibly a simple modification you could get so much more out of this relatively cheap card.

18-02-2014, 10:52:11

tinytomlogan
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiquidAtoR View Post
Well, looking at the snapshot of the card it looks like it's possible to attach a powerconnector to the topright side (6 pin), which in turn would make this card much more viable to overclock.

I know the powerconsumption was the big issue (this card draws alot less), but with possibly a simple modification you could get so much more out of this relatively cheap card.
Just adding power wont make any difference dude sadly

18-02-2014, 11:45:59

LiquidAtoR
I was just looking at it from my 'Artificial Stupidity'point of view

I based my reply on a sentence in your conclusion:

Quote:
Equally the low-power state means it's important to keep those clocks relatively low as even the slightest overclock can drastically alter the required power input.
So I just figured, slap on a powerconnector, and crank up the juice
Would be good if there would be other cards based on the same PCB structure which do have a extra power connector (by then you can see or know if it's possible at all to mod a low cost card to high end specs )

18-02-2014, 12:07:22

Zoot
Got to watch the review when I get home.

Based on what I've seen so far, price-wise you'd probably be better off you picked up a similarly priced Radeon like the new R7 265 instead. Although I'd probably opt for one of these myself given Nvidia's Linux drivers.

Nvidia have done a great job with the power side of things. It doesn't matter much on the desktop (at least not for me), but it puts them in a great place when it comes to mobile.

18-02-2014, 12:27:13

Agost
Imagine a 4 times bigger chip with almost the same efficiency... il would beat a 780Ti with ~80W less power draw even if it was on a 28nm manufacturing process...

I think nVidia is now able to make the 8xx series like the 6xx series, low power consumption vs AMD and then release a 9xx gen similar to 7xx, bigger chips developed earlier for professional GPUs and rebranded. And still win the battle

18-02-2014, 12:52:48

dark-D
is it just me, or did ttl hinted on a 760ti and 770ti based on maxwell?
i would love an asus directcu mini/msi gaming itx 770ti on a single 8 pin or a 760ti on a single 6pin. then we will see that maxwell is really power efficient. but i don't have my hopes up.

18-02-2014, 13:17:53

Mysterae
I notice that this card doesn't have a SLI connector.

Does that mean that Maxwell cards of the future won't need one? That'll be good news. It could also mean that Nvidia don't want people to SLI the 750ti in case they trounce something further up the food chain at a much lower cost. Shame Tom didn't have two of these to try!

18-02-2014, 13:21:49

muntsy
Concerning Tom's speculations in the video about why they started from the lower end this time I just wanted to say that it's because from now (Maxwell) every new architecture will be developed with mobile in mind first (i.e. tablet gpus) and then desktop. That's the reason it's all about power efficiency . It's not the end of powerful desktop gpus though.

18-02-2014, 13:35:01

FPS_Machete_HD
I find its lack of an SLI finger disturbing...

18-02-2014, 13:37:57

SeekaX
why the heck would you put 750tis in SLi?
it's not unusual that low end GPUs don't have SLi fingers.

18-02-2014, 13:40:36

Mysterae
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeekaX View Post
why the heck would you put 750tis in SLi?
it's not unusual that low end GPUs don't have SLi fingers.
If two of these performed better than a single card, with lower wattage whilst being cheaper and less heat, would be a good reason(s).

18-02-2014, 13:45:45

sheroo
Sorry if I missed it - will this support 3 monitors at the same time? Also are there any plans for Sapphire et al to produce a passive version as its only 60W?

18-02-2014, 14:03:31

Watsyerproblem
the lower end looks to be getting more interesting.

From the looks of it AMD's 7850 refresh, the R7 265, will be it's direct competitor price wise. While the power draw will be much higher, the R9 265 should perform better for the price (provided it retails for RRP, poor Americans and their coin miners).

Will power consumption be a thing we will see more of in the future Tom?

18-02-2014, 14:29:17

RamboOC
My GTX 570 has very similar performance to 750ti, yet 750 TI uses 60w and my gpu uses 220w! WOW!

Imagine the overclock if the vrm's on 750ti were decent and if it was possibe to add 2x6pin connectors!

18-02-2014, 15:01:17

Feronix
Quote:
Originally Posted by sheroo View Post
Sorry if I missed it - will this support 3 monitors at the same time? Also are there any plans for Sapphire et al to produce a passive version as its only 60W?
Sapphire only do AMD cards, or at least for the past few years (don't know about way back).

18-02-2014, 16:16:34

NeverBackDown
Quote:
Originally Posted by RamboOC View Post
My GTX 570 has very similar performance to 750ti, yet 750 TI uses 60w and my gpu uses 220w! WOW!

Imagine the overclock if the vrm's on 750ti were decent and if it was possibe to add 2x6pin connectors!
advances in technology eh? Gotta love it!

18-02-2014, 19:34:26

Bartacus
I like the approach that Nvidia is taking here, starting at the bottom, even though I'm an AMD user right now. One question for Tom though:

You mention your 2011 system with a 7970 pulling 700W from the wall. Is that only ONE 7970?!?! I'm asking because I'm running 2 7950s on a 2011 system (albeit a 3820 running at 1.275v), and I can pull MAX 560W from the wall (according to my UPS), and I can only get it that high if I run Furmark in Crossfire + Prime 95 at the same time. That's with 2 D5 pumps at full speed, 15 fans, LEDs, 4 mechanical HDDs, 2 SSDs, etc. What the heck am I missing? Can the 6-core 3930K explain a 140W power draw difference? Or is my UPS lying to me?

19-02-2014, 03:34:25

tinytomlogan
Its a type - its 500w - two 7970's would be about 650/700

I have had 4 before on that rig and it was pulling 1250w from the wall

You need to remember different benches pull different loads so you would have to use Unigine valley to compare

19-02-2014, 04:49:33

Nine Iron
Trading blows with a reference 650Ti Boost for half the power draw... I might have found the replacement for my 650.

19-02-2014, 05:25:50

LiquidAtoR
If the powerdraw is a issue then this 750/750Ti is probably the way to go.
If you are after the extra 10fps (without overclocking) I think the AMD's R7 265 is gonna beat Nvidia's 750Ti, but only if the suggested retail prices will be kept (and they are far from stabile lately with AMD due to the mining rush).

19-02-2014, 05:43:18

Seb.F
Not a bad card if I may say so myself really.

19-02-2014, 10:15:14

AverageNinja
Nice video Tom! First video from you I've ever watched in 1080p (shoutout to the YouTube app for the PS3, now I can finally watch TTL ranting in HD! )
Quite a nice card! Sweet performance for the price, perfect for a steambox!

19-02-2014, 17:46:29

Bartacus
Quote:
Originally Posted by tinytomlogan View Post
Its a type - its 500w - two 7970's would be about 650/700

I have had 4 before on that rig and it was pulling 1250w from the wall

You need to remember different benches pull different loads so you would have to use Unigine valley to compare
Cool, thanks! If you REALLY want to see some power draw with multiple GPUs, try running Furmark under a Crossfire profile, while running Prime95 at the same time. That puts a LOT more stress on the GPUs, and probably drew 50W-65W more from the wall for me than just running Valley alone. Of course, that's not exactly a "real world" test since your system would never see such stress. But it's a good "ultimate" stress test.

19-02-2014, 19:37:19

remember300
Ah looks like a great little card, very temped for a few little projects i have in mind, and i love the efficiency. By pushing that low might even mean mobile chips could give better performance later on. We could even see gaming laptops in the future pushing out 780 perfomance and still hold enough battery for a good long game

that will make lan gaming intresting.

Nice little info seep here tom

19-02-2014, 22:11:38

ander01se
According to Hardware Canucks they managed to overclock theirs to 1303 MHz. Without upping the power limitO_o

20-02-2014, 04:09:41

Seb.F
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartacus View Post
Cool, thanks! If you REALLY want to see some power draw with multiple GPUs, try running Furmark under a Crossfire profile, while running Prime95 at the same time. That puts a LOT more stress on the GPUs, and probably drew 50W-65W more from the wall for me than just running Valley alone. Of course, that's not exactly a "real world" test since your system would never see such stress. But it's a good "ultimate" stress test.
CUDAminer/cgminer sure loads up the GPUs.

In Valley I sit at around 115% power draw at 1.3v on a Titan, yet with CUDAminer it spikes to 180% with the overclocked profile, hence why I only ran it for around ten seconds.

With 1.2v and CUDAminer it still hits well over 125%.

07-05-2014, 07:13:28

Rodent
It really is a nice little card, But the price makes it a bad choice for anyone buying a new GPU. The price should be $119 just like the 650 Ti was. That was what made the 650 Ti so successful. Remember the 650 Ti was a failure until they finally made the price fair, After that it was a wonderful choice over the 7770 7790 and 7850, Now we have the 750 Ti, And it honestly is nothing more than a 650 Ti with a lower power state and better efficiency. And they expect to sale it for the same price as the R7 265? Both are $145 and the 750 Ti does not even come close to the R7 265 in performance, They are both in different leagues. The actual AMD GPU that matches the 750 Ti is the $120 R7 260X, And with the R7 260X you get a faster memory bandwidth of 104 GB/s vs the 750 Ti's 86.4 GB/s , So the R7 260X can handle it's 2GB of V-Ram Much better at higher resolutions, But then again with these cards you are not really going to want to play at 1080p anyway. However with the R7 265 that is priced the same, can handle 1080p wonderfully. And it can fully utilize it's 2GB of V-ram with a very fast memory bandwidth of 179.2 GB/s, And not to mention you have the option to later crossfire, And the performance of two R7 265's is phenomenal, Especially at $145 a GPU.
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