nVidia GeForce GTX 460 768MB GDDR5 Review

Folding@Home & Synthetic Benchmarks


Folding@Home GPU3 Client

In the second quarter of 2008, the Folding@Home group launched their first CUDA supporting protein folding client. Having fully harnessed the capabilities of stream processing, the client remains to be many times faster than similarly priced processors. However recently we saw the release of the GPU3 client, offering full support for GF100/GF104 GTX 400 series graphics cards. With 336 stream processors at our disposal, lets see what it has to offer!

While we were unable to process the same work unit twice for a fair test, both projects were 611 points in value. Our £150 GTX 460 is throwing higher PPD figures than the mighty GTX 285 and after verifying our overclock, we were able to exceed the 10000PPD barrier. For those who want a mid range F@H cruncher, then this is it.

Unigine Heaven Benchmark

Recently Unigine produced the fantastic Heaven Benchmark. Based around a ficticious floating village the benchmark makes full use of the Direct X 11 API, most notably with the implementation of Hardware Tesselation.

The Heaven benchmark is awfully demanding but regardless, nVidia's new midrange offering has come out of it with pleasing results.

3DMark Vantage

3DMark Vantage is Futuremarks flagship gaming oriented benchmark at present and is considered to be a demanding one at that. Our tests were carried out under the "Performance" prefix.

 

nVidia certainly tend to have the edge in 3DMark Vantage, however these results are commendable regardless. Note that once overclocked, the overall GTX 460 score is entering the realms of faster graphics cards such as the Radeon HD 5850.

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16-07-2010, 05:29:38

tinytomlogan
At last, nVidia have brought DirectX 11 to the masses! Or have they?

Continue Reading

16-07-2010, 05:50:15

Runebeard
Best thing I've seen NVidia do all year imo. If I were looking to upgrade whilst staying in the green camp, this is the obvious choice. Will you be getting in a 1GB version to test and compare as well?

16-07-2010, 05:52:05

tinytomlogan
I would have thought we would yes matey, but Ive got nothing secured as we speak. Will deffo happen soon though.

16-07-2010, 05:55:49

silenthill
Great review, well done Mul, great price too from CPL at scan and overclockers the cheapest is 152 seams that nvidia have come up with actually something worth buying but ATI will definitely bring their prices down on certain cards to compete with this card so dont be hasty guys.

16-07-2010, 05:56:11

Runebeard
Awesome dude! Thanks very much

16-07-2010, 05:59:54

thestepster
this is definitely of massive interest to me on both fronts (thanks to tom and mul for the folding@home bit) does 10k overclocked on an OEM card im lookin at the asus with the volt mod for a bigger overclock and gettin 2 of them to run sli in games when i eventually turn off f@h for some gamin, another thing i was thinkin what was the power consumption of the cards when they were overclocked i was reading some pretty high numbers on other sites and it would definately need a new psu if its true

would also love to see how these compare to a gtx480 when they are in sli

once again guys amazing review and has basically cemented my decision on buying 2 of these

EDIT: there is 2 brands of this card i was reading on futuremark u might want to avoid the palit and gainward ones (palit owns gainward?) they are what seems to be strangly shipping without ANY VRM heatsinks?

16-07-2010, 06:51:45

F-alienware
Hurrah, good show !

It's about time (I mean Nvidia, not OC3D)

EDIT. Where are my manners today?

Thanks Mul, and thanks to Tom and OC3D for making this happen. I really look forward to the reviews on here (especially when Bryan is beating the crap out of a graphics card, takes me right back to our 9800/5950 rival days )

16-07-2010, 06:54:20

F-alienware
Quote:
Originally Posted by name='thestepster'

EDIT: there is 2 brands of this card i was reading on futuremark u might want to avoid the palit and gainward ones (palit owns gainward?) they are what seems to be strangly shipping without ANY VRM heatsinks?
Notice at the time of release they were the cheapest. They are obviously designed for out of the box users who do not intend to overclock them at all and thus, perfectly adequate. No such thing as a free lunch, as they say, and peformance will cost you.

That said, even out of the box these are good enough.

16-07-2010, 06:58:11

thestepster
Quote:
Originally Posted by name='AlienALX'
Notice at the time of release they were the cheapest. They are obviously designed for out of the box users who do not intend to overclock them at all and thus, perfectly adequate. No such thing as a free lunch, as they say, and peformance will cost you.

That said, even out of the box these are good enough.
only way that argument is valid is if the OEM ones dont ship with them either and not to mention the most expencive one at 210 is an overclocked gainward one

16-07-2010, 07:03:53

F-alienware
Well if the card is not a reference cooler then tbh Gainward and Palit can pretty much do what they want. They're obviously buying 'vanilla' boards and then whacking on coolers.

I'm not a big fan of Palit any way. They did a version of the 9800GT with a tiny flower cooler and pathetic ram coolers. Again, this is all fine if you intend to keep them at stock but that's where it ends.

IMO the best looking one for playing around with is the Asus. It doesn't look the nicest but it has heatpipes poking out and everything. Looks the best for Overclocking.

Also to mention something pointed out by Mul...

"Due to logistical issues with our original GTX 460 supplier, we had to request a nVidia Reference GTX 460 sample instead. While this is not really an issue, I must warn that there are no pretty photographs of decorated packaging or accessory sets "

To be completely honest mate I like the virgin reference cards. I think they look more mean. Once a company starts putting stickers on them they lose all their charm hehe. Mind you, I'm a bit of a Ratrod flat black man myself, so that may be why. But when the 5770 released I tried everything to get the reference plain ones with the ATI logo on the fan. At least that way you're not paying for some dumb sticker with a semi clad woman accross it lol.

16-07-2010, 07:05:32

F-alienware
Infact Steps, look at how Palit have cut an X shape out of their design (the shroud). That's been done for no reason at all other than to save on plastic. And it all adds up mate.. I used to work in R&D and you would gasp for breath if you realised how much that all costs

16-07-2010, 07:10:06

thestepster
there coolers do look custom (the shroud and fan anyway) but the thing is the pic i seen there was miles of room in there and they could have fitted them and they know that there cards gonna be overclocked to hell cause nvidias not as mainstream as ati its more for the ppl in the know? even the most non computer savvy person can these days and these are the cards a lot of green team fans have been waitin on and if this one

yeah there cutting costs kinda looks daft aswell cause the cards not what u would call substantially cheaper

totally agree on the asus being the best non 1gb about and the vmod shows numbers around the 930 core which can differ obviously but thats awsome so thats how i want one of those and illl gladly pay the extra for it

16-07-2010, 07:14:31

F-alienware
Yeah definnitely man. Of course to you and I those heatsinks make all the difference.. And yeah, they may only be a few quid cheaper but it all counts when you are a small OEM making machines in batches.. All adds up man.

I said this to AMD the other day (where's he been? he's so quiet haha) but the amount of people who actually overclock their systems is very small tbh. So for the most part some one would buy a machine with a 460 gtx in and not care about overclocking/volting and so on.

16-07-2010, 07:19:36

thestepster
Quote:
Originally Posted by name='AlienALX'
Yeah definnitely man. Of course to you and I those heatsinks make all the difference.. And yeah, they may only be a few quid cheaper but it all counts when you are a small OEM making machines in batches.. All adds up man.

I said this to AMD the other day (where's he been? he's so quiet haha) but the amount of people who actually overclock their systems is very small tbh. So for the most part some one would buy a machine with a 460 gtx in and not care about overclocking/volting and so on.
but if there going to be building machines with the cheaper end of the gtx460's they will go for an nvidia OEM mate as they are as stated at the start 139.99 as opposed to the 145-150 price mark for the palit ones so there's a 5 saving on each then if the oems come with the proper cooling on the vrm then its a win win for them as they will handle the heat just as well and the ram stays cooler

16-07-2010, 07:22:10

F-alienware
I'd much rather have the Nvidia OEM card. Best looking of the lot IMO. And you're not paying EVGA 50 to put a sticker on it

16-07-2010, 07:23:25

siravarice
Great review Would two of these be faster than say, a 470?

16-07-2010, 07:25:02

thestepster
Quote:
Originally Posted by name='AlienALX'
I'd much rather have the Nvidia OEM card. Best looking of the lot IMO. And you're not paying EVGA 50 to put a sticker on it
they will overclock just aswell as a palit one so there is no benefit to the palits as a cost perspective

the asus where as its totally custom pcb and cooler with volt moddin

Quote:
Originally Posted by name='siravarice'
Great review Would two of these be faster than say, a 470?
much faster mate i think they can maybe touch the gtx480 when they are in sli

16-07-2010, 07:25:04

tinytomlogan
As with all of these cards just buy the one that you like the best, the PCB on them atm is all the same. The only thing to consider is voltage tweaking options and coolers.

16-07-2010, 07:27:23

thestepster
Quote:
Originally Posted by name='tinytomlogan'
As with all of these cards just buy the one that you like the best, the PCB on them atm is all the same. The only thing to consider is voltage tweaking options and coolers.
pretty sure asus has a custom pcb?

16-07-2010, 07:27:43

tinytomlogan
No mate they are all the same. Asus always tries to use the ref design, the Voltage tweak is just a bios change.

16-07-2010, 07:27:54

silenthill
Hi tom, If I bought one of these 460 and added it as a physx card to my two 480 do you think it will increase the performance when I play metro with physx on advanced and also would it take the load off one of my 480 because I noticed that the one which is dedicated to physx heats up more than the other one and in general would it be a wise purchase.

16-07-2010, 07:31:12

tinytomlogan
Quote:
Originally Posted by name='silenthill'
Hi tom, If I bought one of these 460 and added it as a physx card to my two 480 do you think it will increase the performance when I play metro with physx on advanced and also would it take the load off one of my 480 because I noticed that the one which is dedicated to physx heats up more than the other one and in general would it be a wise purchase.
No mate with 2 480's thats complete lunacy and wouldnt be worth it imho. Metro is just another crysis intended for us to want to buy more and more Nvidia kit. Even with 3x 480's or 2x 480s and one as physX its not that high.

If you have 2x 480's run them in SLI do not bother with one as dedicated PhysX thats just stooooopid.

16-07-2010, 07:51:45

F-alienware
I did a test with Physx a while back using Batman Arkham.

I was running a 280GTX at the time and offloaded Physx onto a 8 series onboard. The results were crazy.. As Tom said it would be downscaling. The 480 has more artillery to handle the Physx than the 460 will ever have.

In Arkham Asylum it reccomended a 9800GTX minimum. However, I don't even think that would have done much over a 280GTX tbh. Sure you're offloading it but if the card you are offloading it onto is a lot slower it will hurt performance.

I'll see if I can find the results and do a write up in a bit

16-07-2010, 07:59:18

tinytomlogan
But as I said DONT have the 480 as physx just leave them both in SLI

16-07-2010, 08:01:11

F-alienware
Oh absolutely. Setting a 480 aside is like having a bloody Veyron in your garage that you start up once a month and never drive

16-07-2010, 08:08:41

thestepster
Quote:
Originally Posted by name='tinytomlogan'
But as I said DONT have the 480 as physx just leave them both in SLI
yeah try and pick up an 8800 or 9800 if needs be that will more than likely do the job well enuff

16-07-2010, 08:10:21

silenthill
Quote:
Originally Posted by name='tinytomlogan'
No mate with 2 480's thats complete lunacy and wouldnt be worth it imho. Metro is just another crysis intended for us to want to buy more and more Nvidia kit. Even with 3x 480's or 2x 480s and one as physX its not that high.

If you have 2x 480's run them in SLI do not bother with one as dedicated PhysX thats just stooooopid.
so then the problem is merto not my system I suppose it's designed for the future like CRYSIS when it was launched in 2007 even with the highest spec and you couldn't get the fps more than 30 but now after 3 years I'm getting 83 fps in high res. I remember doom 3 had that same issue just a game designed for the future I suppose these type of games drive the industry forward and by the way I'm running my cards in sli but you didn't understand me with nvidia's new driver you can choose one of the cards which are in sli to perform the physx card 1 or card 2 so I noticed that whichever one I put the physx on it heats up more something around 7-10 degrees anyway thanks for the advice I'll just have to play metro on low res because it really looks nice when physx on advance mode.

best regards

16-07-2010, 08:13:00

F-alienware
Quote:
Originally Posted by name='thestepster'
yeah try and pick up an 8800 or 9800 if needs be that will more than likely do the job well enuff
Thing is dude I don't know whether it would ever improve what you had already (in a single decent card for example) or if it's just more Snakeoil from Nvidia and doesn't do squat (kinda like Hybrid SLI).

What I mean is (sorry for the vague post a minute ago Tom, got a lot on my mind today ) would running, say a 280GTX and a 9800GT and offloading the Physx onto the 9800GT fare any better than just using the 280?

I doubt it. The 280 is a far faster card and has Physx. The 9800GT obviously can not shove Physx out the door any quicker than a 280.. But it's finding out if offloading really does speed things up or just get bottlenecked by the inferior card.

Again I think this comes down to mere bragging rights TBH. That friend of mine who got a Classified and three 280s also got a 9800GTX for Phsyx. Sadly he never could put out real world figures as it just failed in the head

16-07-2010, 08:16:22

F-alienware
Quote:
Originally Posted by name='silenthill'
I suppose it's designed for the future like CRYSIS
No such thing mate. That's simply an excuse for sh*t coding. That's the same excuse R* used with GTAIV on the PC.

Higher spec graphics are reserved for future systems.

Olbocks. Mate of mine had SLI 295 and got crappy scores. What they're really saying is

We cannot optimise this code as it is buggy and slow, and we can't be bothered putting in the time and effort so here, have it as it is with a watered down lame ass excuse

R* are known for sloppy code dude. Their games even slow down on the consoles. And GTAIV had no AA nothing. Compare it to Just Cause 2 and you will see a far better example of optimised coding.

16-07-2010, 08:40:44

AMDFTW
woooo,i have seen nothing but good things of these,lets hope scan have mine in stock for wednesday,over 100fps max in heaven is very good IMO.

the 1gb card seems to bethe best IMO

also i think that some of these cards will hit 1ghz core in a review of the asus card they had it at 960 core,so quite close.

16-07-2010, 08:47:59

thestepster
Quote:
Originally Posted by name='AMDFTW'
woooo,i have seen nothing but good things of these,lets hope scan have mine in stock for wednesday,over 100fps max in heaven is very good IMO.

the 1gb card seems to bethe best IMO

also i think that some of these cards will hit 1ghz core in a review of the asus card they had it at 960 core,so quite close.
yeah the asus cards looks like its going to be a beast my old rig wants to sell so i can buy 2 of them wanna see how much better its gonna be at f@h

16-07-2010, 08:49:19

AMDFTW
i wonder when they will bring i 1gb version out tho,as they need to

16-07-2010, 08:51:57

thestepster
yeah not sure how long that will take but for me gettin 2 of them for sli and when folding it doesnt use all the memory so that 1gb version isnt an issue for me

16-07-2010, 08:52:30

silenthill
Quote:
Originally Posted by name='AlienALX'
No such thing mate. That's simply an excuse for sh*t coding. That's the same excuse R* used with GTAIV on the PC.

Higher spec graphics are reserved for future systems.

Olbocks. Mate of mine had SLI 295 and got crappy scores. What they're really saying is

We cannot optimise this code as it is buggy and slow, and we can't be bothered putting in the time and effort so here, have it as it is with a watered down lame ass excuse

R* are known for sloppy code dude. Their games even slow down on the consoles. And GTAIV had no AA nothing. Compare it to Just Cause 2 and you will see a far better example of optimised coding.
but CRYSIS had several awards in E3 and everybody who reviewed it give it 9 out of 10 and also doom 3 from ID soft it was the talk of the day during that time. and if what you say is true there are a lot of professionals that will spot it out and say the code is bad. I really don't know what to think but one thing for sure is that CRYSIS and METRO look awesome maxed out and my opinion is sometime the software developers design something which is much more advanced than the hardware available in the market, I don't know if they do it on purpose for commercial reasons or they just want to show their ability. I say this with all my respect to your point of view.

16-07-2010, 10:03:51

F-alienware
Crysis on release was totally broken. As in V1.

I bought it in 2008 long after it released and didn't bother to update it. Just loaded it on and played. It suffered with constant slowdowns, gray outs on the smoke (IE smoke would lose all of its detail and just turn to gray sheets of colour) and so on.

Worst of all though was the total mess up at the end. I don't know if you have ever finished Crysis? I haven't as my game was impossible to complete

I got to the end on the aircraft carrier, went down into its guts and forgot to grab the TAC cannon. Came back up and out and the door slammed shut behind me. I was then treated to close to two hours of

USE THE TAC CANNON... USE THE F***ING TAC CANNON

Before I finally realised I did not have it and was locked out from getting it, making the game impossible to finish. The only way around it was to reload my save game about two hours before and do it all over again.

See, at E3 and IGN they don't bother to play a game long enough to find all of this out. Firstly IGN reviewed GTAIV by basically copying the 360 review word for word before handing it a 9.9/10. A couple of my computer mags I used to read did exactly the same damn thing. "wow game of the year" etc etc.

Yet none of them noticed it was absolute doggy toffee? Of course they did, they were being paid off. That's the problem with reviewers now days. They're absolutely terrified of biting the hand that feeds. Look at DRIV3R. That got glowing reviews from certain magazines. The reality was it was completely shafted and totally incomplete.

To relieve the situation in Warhead they just cut whacking great lumps out of it. However, compare Crysis' code to say, HL2 or Doom 3 which when they released screamed along like a dragster. Back in those days BFG could say "TURN IT ALL ON !" and actually be safe in the knowing the game would hit over 50fps.

That was all before the dawn of the 360 era. Since then we have been playing lazy hand me down rubbish..

Oh, I also don't rate Crysis much as a game either. Graphically Far Cry 2 is pretty much on par yet you get pretty much double the frames. Shame about the game though.

16-07-2010, 11:00:00

silenthill
Quote:
Originally Posted by name='AlienALX'
Crysis on release was totally broken. As in V1.

I bought it in 2008 long after it released and didn't bother to update it. Just loaded it on and played. It suffered with constant slowdowns, gray outs on the smoke (IE smoke would lose all of its detail and just turn to gray sheets of colour) and so on.

Worst of all though was the total mess up at the end. I don't know if you have ever finished Crysis? I haven't as my game was impossible to complete

I got to the end on the aircraft carrier, went down into its guts and forgot to grab the TAC cannon. Came back up and out and the door slammed shut behind me. I was then treated to close to two hours of

USE THE TAC CANNON... USE THE F***ING TAC CANNON

Before I finally realised I did not have it and was locked out from getting it, making the game impossible to finish. The only way around it was to reload my save game about two hours before and do it all over again.

See, at E3 and IGN they don't bother to play a game long enough to find all of this out. Firstly IGN reviewed GTAIV by basically copying the 360 review word for word before handing it a 9.9/10. A couple of my computer mags I used to read did exactly the same damn thing. "wow game of the year" etc etc.

Yet none of them noticed it was absolute doggy toffee? Of course they did, they were being paid off. That's the problem with reviewers now days. They're absolutely terrified of biting the hand that feeds. Look at DRIV3R. That got glowing reviews from certain magazines. The reality was it was completely shafted and totally incomplete.

To relieve the situation in Warhead they just cut whacking great lumps out of it. However, compare Crysis' code to say, HL2 or Doom 3 which when they released screamed along like a dragster. Back in those days BFG could say "TURN IT ALL ON !" and actually be safe in the knowing the game would hit over 50fps.

That was all before the dawn of the 360 era. Since then we have been playing lazy hand me down rubbish..

Oh, I also don't rate Crysis much as a game either. Graphically Far Cry 2 is pretty much on par yet you get pretty much double the frames. Shame about the game though.
I do agree in the ends of CRYSIS and CRYSIS WAREHED the fps drops dramatically which makes the game very hard to play and it also took me a while to figure out the cannon issue but at that time I had a AMD 6400 dual core @3.2 and a 9600 gt and fps were under 25, now my fps are over 83 with my current spec so the game is much more enjoyable but there was a big price to pay for that, CRYSIS 2 is a multi platform game(360,ps3,pc) so it should be better. Ive got a 360 but I just cant play FPS with a gamepad it just doesnt feel right so Ill have to go with the pc game if the same thing happens and my fps are under 30 with two 480 in sli and a 920@4 GHz then EA can go to hell because Im not spending 2000 again as for METRO its running really well on current spec, detail high DX11 and Im getting around 50-75 fps which is very playable so no complaints as for your view that since the launch of the 360 pc games have got really bad I totally agree with you on this it has made game developers neglect the pc gamer and 360 has become their new golden egg and I believe things will get worse.

16-07-2010, 11:10:58

F-alienware
Deffo with you on the pad thing dude. FPS on a pad is just terrible. I played my mate online once and by the time he had even known what had hit him I had shot him in the back of the head. In the end he got annoyed and refused to play any more

The only scenarios where a pad works was something like Fallout 3 where you had VATS. The input lag on the 360 controller is pretty bloody poor too (on the PC) and makes my game stutter when I spin around. Of course it's not the game (though tbh AGAIN Fallout 3 is far from perfect and carried all of the bucket of poo that Oblivion did) but it does work (once you figure out editing the .ini to stop it crashing all the time )

Here. As a better analogy...

High graphics are reserved for future systems.

So wait. Firstly they are saying that they're clairvoyant. How do they know if their code is going to run well on hardware that doesn't even exist? How do they know what the future even holds in terms of hardware?

Think about it like this. If EA or whoever cannot even get their own code to run on say, SLI 8800GTX (the best out at the time) with a C2QEE then man, Houston we have a problem. How do they know how their game is going to react on new technology?

Secondly just take an example of good coding.

Race Driver : GRID. Seriously, how stunning was that game on release? Yet there I was with my lowly 9800GT with it cranked running Vsync and an easy 4XFSAA and 8XFSAA if I wanted microscopic lag with everything on full.

Dirt 2. Again, absolutely hauls ass on a single 5770, let alone adding another one.

And in contrast? The original DIRT. A bit of a dog really eh? DIRT 2 is faster and runs better and looks a country mile apart.

Honestly mush, if our graphics cards were being utilised to the fullest we would have games that would literally make you shoot your load. Now part of the blame is down to the hardware industry as they don't even pause for breath without going on to the next one (it's called greed) and the coders (in their defense) can't keep adjusting their code and engines to suit.

However, the buck stops for excuses when you take into account some one like I.D games or Valve. Both spend the time needed to fully debug their code and make absolutely sure they have exhausted every last effort before releasing it. As thus HL2 absolutely bloody flew along on modest hardware with all kinds of eye candy.

How on earth though could Crysis have made it out the door and pressed onto DVD without any one even realising the ending was totally bloody broken?

16-07-2010, 11:23:05

tinytomlogan
wholy essay posts batman :|

16-07-2010, 11:23:53

F-alienware
Haha. Remember when I told you I shouldn't write game reviews?

I meant it I'd probably be assasinated by the gaming industry within a month

16-07-2010, 12:13:58

silenthill
God bless you my son for you have spoken the truth

OC3D.. Telling it like it is

16-07-2010, 16:13:24

silenthill
Quote:
Originally Posted by name='tinytomlogan'
No mate with 2 480's thats complete lunacy and wouldnt be worth it imho. Metro is just another crysis intended for us to want to buy more and more Nvidia kit. Even with 3x 480's or 2x 480s and one as physX its not that high.

If you have 2x 480's run them in SLI do not bother with one as dedicated PhysX thats just stooooopid.
See what I mean

16-07-2010, 16:15:11

thestepster
do you have any spare pci-e's mate? if so get an 8 or 9 series and that will offload that power to that

16-07-2010, 16:30:33

AMDFTW
do the 4 series fare better with a dedicated physx card or not

16-07-2010, 16:30:58

Br1t1shB33f
Nice to see N(shody)a have made something worth while. Only issue is i think the new ATi 6xxx is to close for this card to gain Nvidia a decent market share in the midrange card market.

16-07-2010, 16:34:03

thestepster
Quote:
Originally Posted by name='AMDFTW'
do the 4 series fare better with a dedicated physx card or not
well i cant see y it wouldn't its not something they wouldnt engineer in that was a neat feature

16-07-2010, 16:35:09

thestepster
Quote:
Originally Posted by name='Br1t1shB33f'
Nice to see N(shody)a have made something worth while. Only issue is i think the new ATi 6xxx is to close for this card to gain Nvidia a decent market share in the midrange card market.
this is prob now the best bang for buck card out there and i predict there's been a lot of ppl waitin on it i personally havent but its came as a nice surprise for me as in an avid folder and ati cards fail supremely bad at this

16-07-2010, 16:41:25

Br1t1shB33f
yeah its nice that something is available for all. i guess ATi only care about gaming and thats not a bad thing i guys.. as Nvidia cards seem to do alot more than just game. I suppose it what ur into other than gaming if anything at all. But hopefully as a current ATi fan (loyalty not 100%) it would be nice to see if this move by nvidia makes ATi make some Strides in the 6xxx series.

16-07-2010, 16:42:22

F-alienware
Quote:
Originally Posted by name='thestepster'
this is prob now the best bang for buck card out there and i predict there's been a lot of ppl waitin on it i personally havent but its came as a nice surprise for me as in an avid folder and ati cards fail supremely bad at this
Folding isn't something a lot of people do. You can do it with any Nvidia card (so for example a 9800GT).

Nvidias problem right now is ATI are in the lead. Nvidia can try and overtake all they like (and probably will !) but ATI have been in a 4-5 month head start and lead dude.

I can absolutely bloody bet that they knew the 460 was coming and already have the counter attack fully in place. Why? because they should be more than ready. Even a simple price drop of the 5850 immediately gives them a better card for the same money. I also promise you that even though the 5 series were very reasonably priced ATI have been charging a premium for them before now because they had absolutely and utterly no competition AT ALL. They said jump, the paying customer asked how high.

Things are very very different now though

16-07-2010, 16:45:49

Br1t1shB33f
Quote:
Originally Posted by name='AlienALX'
Folding isn't something a lot of people do. You can do it with any Nvidia card (so for example a 9800GT).

Nvidias problem right now is ATI are in the lead. Nvidia can try and overtake all they like (and probably will !) but ATI have been in a 4-5 month head start and lead dude.

I can absolutely bloody bet that they knew the 460 was coming and already have the counter attack fully in place. Why? because they should be more than ready. Even a simple price drop of the 5850 immediately gives them a better card for the same money. I also promise you that even though the 5 series were very reasonably priced ATI have been charging a premium for them before now because they had absolutely and utterly no competition AT ALL. They said jump, the paying customer asked how high.

Things are very very different now though
So very true... and as the 6 Series is coming dropping the price wont hurt them much.. infact it will give them more publicity before the launch of their new cards which will be more value able then a markup in the short term. ATi has the opertunity to tighten the grip on Nvidias balls and make sure it isnt easy to loose that grip.

Im happy for both companies to do well TBH... as this will drive prices down and make for some interesting developments.

16-07-2010, 16:53:19

thestepster
Quote:
Originally Posted by name='AlienALX'
Folding isn't something a lot of people do. You can do it with any Nvidia card (so for example a 9800GT).

Nvidias problem right now is ATI are in the lead. Nvidia can try and overtake all they like (and probably will !) but ATI have been in a 4-5 month head start and lead dude.

I can absolutely bloody bet that they knew the 460 was coming and already have the counter attack fully in place. Why? because they should be more than ready. Even a simple price drop of the 5850 immediately gives them a better card for the same money. I also promise you that even though the 5 series were very reasonably priced ATI have been charging a premium for them before now because they had absolutely and utterly no competition AT ALL. They said jump, the paying customer asked how high.

Things are very very different now though
you would be surprised by the size of the folding@home network feb last year they surpassed the 5 petaFLOPS milestone so thats another another 17 months on and its only going to have got more massive prob wont be long till they hit the 6 has its growing at a crazy rate

to give this one weight the current fastest super computer only does 1.75 petaFLOPS so simple maths shows that the f@h distributed computing networks is 2.8 times more powerful

16-07-2010, 16:58:15

F-alienware
Infact lest we forget that on actual release on actual day one the 5850 was about 230. Then all of a sudden Nvidia showed no response and no retalliation and all of a sudden actual units were actually 270+.

Coincidence? I think not.

ATI basically poked the big doggy with a stick. Then they realised the big doggy was locked in a cage so poked it some more. When they realised they weren't going to get bitten they knew they were in full control. Hence the price ramps.

16-07-2010, 17:04:45

F-alienware
Folding is awesome. It really is. It's completely selfless and all for a good cause. Sure there are a lot of people doing it but do you really live under the conception that our world is so nice and kind that enough people would buy Nvidia cards for no other reason that folding?

A folding rig is just that. You can't really use it for anything else. Do you really think enough people would selflessly set up an entire PC and then let it eat electricity 24/7 and it be enough for Nvidia to beat off ATI?

Sadly folding has shown how unreliable Nvidia cards are if anything else. I read the Folding pages of Custom PC near on every month and the ammount of people saying "I have had to stop folding because my 2xx card died".

Unlike CPUs GPUs do not have the technology in place to combat the stresses of being ran 24/7. No GPU has ECC, no GPU can recover from a serious error without being rebooted. The GPU chip itself has already been pushed to the thermal limits by the manu. Look at the overclock overheads in say an I7 920. Then look at the overclock overheads ina GPU.

Most people buy gaming cards for playing games on dude, but I do really admire your attitude

16-07-2010, 17:13:26

thestepster
your wrong there again mate just cause your gpu's are folding doesnt mean the pc is useless i currently have 3 cards folding in here and it still runs fast as hell, and i have bought 6 cards (all run utterly flawless 24/7) and then the 2 gtx460's when i get my old rig sold and they will fold 90% of the time

folding@home is more stressful than gamin but then you have to look on things there most popular client is the gpu and thats taken 95% of it then then the ps3 slips in there with poorer numbers than an ati card then the cpu client is great but dependin on platform/overclock isnt so good

then they dont have to suffer then the whole hot/cold cycle and not all cards run on there thermal cycle none of mines are near at the top of that my 9800 ran for a few days without problem at 90 degree's (fan fudged up and wouldnt spin very fast while a new cooler was comin for it

yeah i get most of them do go into gamin rigs but there is are utterly 10's of thousands of them out there to make most of the 5 petaFLOPS of the network

18-07-2010, 06:53:15

siravarice
So almost 480 performance for 280 is you got these in SLI. Very nice job.

18-07-2010, 07:23:55

F-alienware
Quote:
Originally Posted by name='siravarice'
So almost 480 performance for 280 is you got these in SLI. Very nice job.
Awesome isn't it? cooler and quieter too. It's a very clever thing by Nvidia that. It basically mirror copies the 5770 in Crossfire when compared with the 5870. Very very clever indeed

18-07-2010, 07:41:06

silenthill
Quote:
Originally Posted by name='siravarice'
So almost 480 performance for 280 is you got these in SLI. Very nice job.
one of my mate's has bought two gtx 460 but with the 1GB memory and we've been testing all night most of our tests have been on CRYSIS WARHEAD with a res of 1920X1200 2XAA and in gamer mode detail level the AVG FPS for the 460's in sli was 57 fps, so then we tested on my system but with only one gtx 480 and the AVG FPS was 52 and we used a single Radeon 5790 stock clocks and we got a AVG FPS of 60 all the tests were done using (Fraps) and playing for about half a hour so I'd say that two 460 in SLI are very near the HD 5790 but that's only in CRYSIS, but if I was someone thinking of a purchase I'll wait for the GXT 490 which is actually two 460's in SLI on one card because the power consumption will be lower and also lower heat & noise levels in your case.

18-07-2010, 07:43:56

F-alienware
Crysis is ATIs achilles heel. It always was and it always will be because Crysis was Nvidia sponsored. It utilises pretty much every aspect of Nvidia cards.

Try something like S.T.A.L.K.E.R : Call of Pripyat if you want to be fair to ATI.. I would be very interested to see the results from that.

18-07-2010, 07:56:22

Elemental_Dragon
For the money and overclocking capabilities, I think this a nice little card for those -not-so-extreme- gamers - definitely bang for buck. But with so many revisions, watercooling a tad out the question sadly I think with this 1

~Bex

18-07-2010, 08:14:42

silenthill
Quote:
Originally Posted by name='AlienALX'
Crysis is ATIs achilles heel. It always was and it always will be because Crysis was Nvidia sponsored. It utilises pretty much every aspect of Nvidia cards.

Try something like S.T.A.L.K.E.R : Call of Pripyat if you want to be fair to ATI.. I would be very interested to see the results from that.
OK mate I'll do it for you, we are meeting today me and my mates after dinner so we will be testing in the evening the only problem I have with S.T.A.L.K.E.R : Call of Pripyat is that it crashes a lot on my 480's something to do with nvidia driver and enabling tessellation and it seems that there has been similar problems with lot of people on the web I have emailed NVIDIA also GSC Game World the Developer of S.T.A.L.K.E.R but have had no answer till now but worse comes to worse I'll disable tessellation and do the test. I'll keep you posted later tonight.

18-07-2010, 08:15:25

F-alienware
Brilliant cheers mate

18-07-2010, 15:06:43

silenthill
Ok ALX these are the results at 1920 x 1200 0xAA 16xAF, DirectX 11, Maximum Detail with a the HD 5970 average FPS was 110 and with a single 480 average FPS was 59 and with a single 460 average FPS was 44 and with two 460 in SLI the average FPS was 66. hope your satisfied now because it was a hell of a job and the NVIDIA driver just wasn't stable but STALKER: Call of Pripyat just looks amazing in DX11 Maximum Detail also we did have a issue with the 460's in SLI the screen goes blank for a few seconds now and again I really don't know what that is because I don't have that issue with my 480's in SLI.

18-07-2010, 16:35:15

AMDFTW
like its been said before,SLi is driver dependant,the 400 series drivers need to mature for all cards to be running correct

18-07-2010, 17:13:50

F-alienware
Excellent stuff.. Thanks for that SH.

It confirms what I thought though. As I say, Crysis is heavily loaded toward Nvidia and that's why pretty much every benchmark where they put ATI cards against Nvidia cards uses it. It basically makes the Nvidia cards look really great.

Hilarious how a pair of 460s actually beat a 480. Not saying much for Nvidia's flagship card is it?

As for the blank screen thing? quite possibly the bridge connector. I had so much crap out of mine when I ran the 8600s in SLI. Constant artifacts, blank screen and crashing. In the end I cleaned the cards contacts with alcohol and that sorted it. Common problem with SLI apparently.

19-07-2010, 04:13:27

silenthill
Quote:
Originally Posted by name='silenthill'
Great review, well done Mul, great price too from CPL at scan and overclockers the cheapest is 152 seams that nvidia have come up with actually something worth buying but ATI will definitely bring their prices down on certain cards to compete with this card so dont be hasty guys.
Moring guys, Ive just been taking a look at the retail prices for ATI cards and look at this the HD 5970 is 446 thats 50 lower than last week and the HD 5870 is 284 also the HD 5850 199 that almost the price of some 1G 460s, remember what I said about ATI will counter attack when the 460 was released.

19-07-2010, 04:41:56

sunjoo
nicely done review

19-07-2010, 04:55:39

I Hunta x
Aye its a counter attack with pricing but might need to be dropped a little more to be able to compete with the 460 tbh, i know quite a few people who have been using nvid cards and would have been happy to pay a bit more for a nvid card than an equal gaming performance ati card because of the much better folding performance.

alot better folding with pretty good fps > then > bad folding with slightly better fps > then > saving say 25 for for the same fps and bad folding - is the order most people who are both both avid gamers and folders would agree with tbh. (only time i could see if being difference is if they already had a top notch dedicated folding rig set up and wanted to make a pure bang for buck gaming machine so they didnt have to interupt any of the cards in the dedicated machine)

id be happy to pay say 25 more on a nvidia card than an ati card if it gave the same gaming performance just for the extra folding grunt as in all honesty 25 is very little if your trying to get good gaming and folding performance.

Should be picking one of these up either on thurs or in 2-3 weeks depending on how the bills are this week.

19-07-2010, 05:12:07

silenthill
You do have a good point X; I didnt put folding in my calculations.

19-07-2010, 06:15:57

I Hunta x
yeah its not a huge % of the market realy, quite a large % of folders are just people who use there main/only card when the pc's on and there not gaming tbh.

id be pretty tempted to get a 2nd 460 tbh but id need a new mobo + new psu as my current board is crossfire only and my psu only has a 6+2 and a 6

19-07-2010, 10:27:15

silenthill
Quote:
Originally Posted by name='I Hunta x'
yeah its not a huge % of the market realy, quite a large % of folders are just people who use there main/only card when the pc's on and there not gaming tbh.

id be pretty tempted to get a 2nd 460 tbh but id need a new mobo + new psu as my current board is crossfire only and my psu only has a 6+2 and a 6
A lot of people have AMD M/B and SLI is not a option thats why I recommended to wait for the 490 which is a dual GPU 460 it will be an easy upgrade option.

19-07-2010, 11:24:45

w3bbo
Nice review Tom. I would personally prefer some competitor values in the graphs other than vs OC but I also appreciate the time it takes to do the tests!

Keep up the great work m8.

19-07-2010, 11:25:07

F-alienware
There are loads of AMD boards with SLI mate. I have one (Crosshair 2). The problem is they use the Nforce chipsets and they aren't very good when compared to the 780/785 etc.

He has a 775 C2D though, finding a half decent SLI board should be cheap and easy. I sold a 680i eVGA about 6 months back with an E4500 in it for 65. Sure it didn't support all the latest quads and wasn't the greatest overclocker in the world but hey, tri SLI capable man.

19-07-2010, 15:51:11

silenthill
Yes but most of them are old and dont support DD3, what I meant is that there are a lot of people who have the new AMD M/B like the (870,880.890,770.760,790,785) and would like to try the NVIDIA cards but unfortunately dont have the SLI option.

21-07-2010, 12:30:58

AMDFTW
just got my 460 (1gb)

how did you check the CUDA cores,as mine is showing the same amount in GPU-Z

21-07-2010, 12:34:57

Mul.
I couldn't find an application that read stream processor count correctly. The performance itself was enough to indicate that over 224 were active!

Quote:
Originally Posted by name='w3bbo'
Nice review Tom. I would personally prefer some competitor values in the graphs other than vs OC but I also appreciate the time it takes to do the tests!

Keep up the great work m8.
Hey W3bbo, unfortunately I didn't have a comparable graphics card to hand. If I had, I would have most certainly offered some comparisons

21-07-2010, 15:18:10

AMDFTW
oryt thats annoying as there is no way to fins out

also did you find that the core and shader was linked in afterburner and also that you could not unlink it,its hurting mu overclock

22-07-2010, 07:29:45

thestepster
its linked in everything mate
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