AMD R9 Fury X Review

Introduction and Technical Specifications

AMD R9 Fury X Review

Introduction

It's taken a while but we finally have a new, properly new, AMD GPU to review in the form of the R9 Fury X. We are sure we're not the only ones excited to see if the Fury X matches up to the GTX980Ti in the same way the R9 290X matched the GTX780Ti, and with the theoretical improvements of High Bandwidth Memory we're anxious to throw some benchmarks at the Fury X and see how it performs.

'High Bandwidth Memory', we hear you say, 'what's that?'. Assuming that you have been under a rock, or not paying attention to this very website, HBM is taking the 3D Memory chip idea that we're used to seeing in Solid State Drives, and putting it onto the GPU PCB. By having the smallest possible distance between the physical GPU and the 3D High Bandwidth Memory, and tiny spaces between each bank of DRAM AMD have ended up with an extremely compact, power efficient solution which promises massively improved bandwidth. As the gaming marketplace moves - in the high-end at least - towards demanding resolutions and Virtual Reality, so the need for immense memory bandwidth becomes a pressing one.

Whether you think that VR will revolutionise the industry, or be a flash in the pan akin to 3D displays, there is no doubt that it's coming and so manufacturers have to be ready. We're of the firm opinion that resolution is actually the future but either way the requirement of oodles of bandwidth remains. Probably the most surprising aspect of the HBM solution is the low clockspeed. GDDR5 is normally found running around the 1750MHz mark whereas AMDs HBM only pops up at 500MHz. If the performance is equivalent to GDDR5 then considering the technology is in its infancy it will prove to be the way forwards for everyone. When was the last time AMD changed the rule book?

Technical Specifications

Away from the unique memory solution the GCN at the heart of the Fury X is similar to most graphics processors. Plenty of Stream Processors, running at a fast pace, form the backbone of the AMD range and the Fury X is no exception. DirectX 12 support ensures that you can take advantage of the latest iteration of Microsofts revolutionary API. Add this to the new Virtual Super Resolution, a similar downscaling idea to the nVidia Dynamic Super Resolution, AMDs own FreeSync technology, and our favourite, Frame Rate Target Control, and there is no doubt that the Fury X has all the bells and whistles. We'll cover FRTC on the power page.

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24-06-2015, 07:58:20

tinytomlogan
http://www.overclock3d.net/gfx/artic...085304733l.jpg

The Fury X is finally upon us and we get a chance to see how the High Bandwidth Memory coupled to the latest Radeon GPU fares against the stiff competition.

AMD R9 Fury X ReviewQuote

24-06-2015, 08:04:48

megaspeed2
I don't think they made it so small to show off, they made it small because that's all the size it needed to be because they didn't need to spread it out to fit the memory on it like they used to, from an engineering perspective and from a customers perspective there is no reason to make something bigger if it doesn't need to be.. it would just be a waste of material and a waste of money.Quote

24-06-2015, 08:06:02

rickyjb
£509 on overclockers . but there is a £140 premium on the ones that are in stock

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/produ...Asc&subid=3068

edit all sold out within 30min
and the 980ti is £509 this weeks only offerQuote

24-06-2015, 08:10:37

Kyiagi
Scan.co.uk has em in stock Quote

24-06-2015, 08:14:04

MrKambo
Well im not as blown away as what i expected.

But its a good card! The fact it can out perform the 295X2 says alot, im hoping with drivers and Windows 10 this becomes a beast.

The card was all sold out in 6 minutes, i sadly never got my order in quick enough, but after reading the review, im happy to wait for a few weeks!Quote

24-06-2015, 08:19:32

barnsley
Seems like the Pro might be the one to wait for. This card is good but it seems to be selling very quickly.

I also don't like the size still. Hopefully its bigger with the pro.Quote

24-06-2015, 08:21:29

Fetchez La Vache
Watching on my lunchbreak, Great review so far with a haircut you could set your watch to.Quote

24-06-2015, 08:21:30

humanitarian
Really wanted to see the overclocking headroom on this, wonder if the voltages will get unlocked so we can play around with itQuote

24-06-2015, 08:29:01

Dicehunter
Well seeing as the Titan X outperforms it in most things and REALLY outperforms it in others I might skip getting it and just stick with the Titan for the moment.Quote

24-06-2015, 08:29:44

Ghosthud1
I've gone through about 3 reviews so far and my initial feeling is mehhhhhhh.

I didn't want a card that would slot between the competitions offerings, I wanted a card that would give Nvidia boys something to worry about.

£509 for the reference 980ti at OCUK, think my decision is crystal clear at this point.Quote

24-06-2015, 08:32:29

JR23
What you saying about GTA V Tom, time you got on there I think.

Card sounds good but I don't want one. Too small, too efficient. Great price though.

JRQuote

24-06-2015, 08:33:52

RisaFujiyama
I mixed feeling about this, it tick almost all the boxes but yet it still lose at raw power output. Hmm... Lets wait again for another 24 months.

But its a really good card I wont denied it.Quote

24-06-2015, 08:33:59

Tripp
AMD have really done themselves good IMO, its not the performance the hype train made it out to be, but you can't argue with the price and performance as it actually stands. with refinements in drivers an what not its going to get a little better tooQuote

24-06-2015, 08:36:20

Tolemac
i'll stick with my 290X for now it does me fine although a 1080p freesynch monitor does appeal to meQuote

24-06-2015, 08:52:34

Damien c
Another cracking review Tom!

As for the card, it's performance is good and close to the GTX980Ti enough for me to say that it would be recommended by me for people who only buy AMD cards, but if someone wants the fastest single cored card then it's still going to be a GTX980Ti or Titan that gets recommended.

It's good though for AMD as they are getting more competitive with Nvidia in terms of performance alone at the top end again.Quote

24-06-2015, 08:55:03

Fetchez La Vache
So it basically matches the 980Ti at a slightly lower price point which kind of continues with the "budget option" that AMD want to leave behind. Meh. I really really hope though that AMD is making a decent amount of money for every card sold and they can carry pushing forward.

It just isn't enough to tempt me away from Nvidia and sacrifice the small number of programs that I use which are CUDA only and use large amounts of Vram.Quote

24-06-2015, 09:00:16

Stoner81
It's really nice to see something which is properly competitive from AMD and hopefully this has given nVidia something to think about and overall drive GPU tech forward in the coming years.

Stoner81.Quote

24-06-2015, 09:21:39

Agost
Kinda disappointed by the average performance... showing that AMD has still some issues with driver optimization.

However the power consumption is relatively good.Quote

24-06-2015, 09:43:15

Type-8
So not the Quantum leap AMD were saying, but still a win in my books. I'll give it a couple of months for drivers to get smoothed out and price inflation to... umm... deflate? then i think this may be my next cardQuote

24-06-2015, 09:51:08

AlienALX
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Originally Posted by Damien c View Post
Another cracking review Tom!

As for the card, it's performance is good and close to the GTX980Ti enough for me to say that it would be recommended by me for people who only buy AMD cards, but if someone wants the fastest single cored card then it's still going to be a GTX980Ti or Titan that gets recommended.

It's good though for AMD as they are getting more competitive with Nvidia in terms of performance alone at the top end again.
Just remember, it ain't over yet. AMD are going to have to drop the price again. Remember, at launch you could spend over a grand on a Titan X.. Now they're £799 which is still a massive urine extraction.

However, this is the price of cards that are really hard to make. Once AMD get the production lines going in full swing they will drop. Why? because today the 980ti dropped to £509, matching the Fury.

So that means AMD need to drop the price. However I will be fair and say that the equivalent liquid cooled 980ti costs £650.

It all depends on whether these cards can be overclocked. They definitely have all of the needed things. 2x8 pin? check. water cooler, check. And so on.Quote

24-06-2015, 10:05:08

mazty
What a odd conclusion. Here we have a card that is almost always out performed by the 980Ti and yet it's a gold award? Why would someone choose it over the 980Ti? They wouldn't, hell, you can't even overclock the damn thing. Every other site has pointed out that this card has been marketed towards 4K gaming, which it simply isn't capable of. It's a card without a market - the 980Ti is more powerful and has overclocking headroom. If it was priced against the 980, okay then that would make sense. But pricing it against a card that is simply better than it, it's a no brainer.

Posts merged - don't double post.

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Originally Posted by Ghosthud1 View Post
I've gone through about 3 reviews so far and my initial feeling is mehhhhhhh.

I didn't want a card that would slot between the competitions offerings, I wanted a card that would give Nvidia boys something to worry about.

£509 for the reference 980ti at OCUK, think my decision is crystal clear at this point.
That's exactly my feelings. All reviews state that it isn't a market leader which is what people were hoping for but simply bites at the heels of the 980 Ti.Quote

24-06-2015, 10:07:58

JR23
Quote:
Originally Posted by mazty View Post
What a odd conclusion. Here we have a card that is almost always out performed by the 980Ti and yet it's a gold award? Why would someone choose it over the 980Ti? They wouldn't, hell, you can't even overclock the damn thing. Every other site has pointed out that this card has been marketed towards 4K gaming, which it simply isn't capable of. It's a card without a market - the 980Ti is more powerful and has overclocking headroom. If it was priced against the 980, okay then that would make sense. But pricing it against a card that is simply better than it, it's a no brainer.
Because it's cheaper (at time of review), cooler and quieter...

JRQuote

24-06-2015, 10:39:23

Type-8
Quote:
Originally Posted by JR23 View Post
Because it's cheaper (at time of review), cooler and quieter...

JR
ExactlyQuote

24-06-2015, 10:40:05

Jbo1234
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghosthud1 View Post
I've gone through about 3 reviews so far and my initial feeling is mehhhhhhh.

I didn't want a card that would slot between the competitions offerings, I wanted a card that would give Nvidia boys something to worry about.

£509 for the reference 980ti at OCUK, think my decision is crystal clear at this point.
Spot on. How it got a gold and innovation award is strange, though not as strange as the pricing. With it ranging from £509 to £649 I don't see why you wouldn't buy a super high end 980 an OC the heck out of it, or the 980ti...and OC the heck out of it.

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Originally Posted by JR23 View Post
Because it's cheaper (at time of review), cooler and quieter...

JR
Not over here sadly.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/produ...Asc&subid=3068
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/produ...Asc&subid=1402

It will be cooler, but then buy a cheap 980, add a water block and OC it. That would be cooler and perform as well (but of course, a lot more hassle).Quote

24-06-2015, 10:40:59

tinytomlogan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbo1234 View Post
My feelings exactly. How it got a gold and innovation award is strange, though not as strange as the pricing. WIth it ranging from £509 to £649 I don't see why you wouldn't buy a super high end 980 an OC the heck out of it, or the 980ti...and OC the heck out of it.
At 509 it deserves gold and that was the price we were given (it is out there)

At 649 its a no brainer - buy a GTX980 Ti.Quote

24-06-2015, 10:49:16

Jbo1234
Quote:
Originally Posted by tinytomlogan View Post
At 509 it deserves gold and that was the price we were given (it is out there)

At 649 its a no brainer - buy a GTX980 Ti.
Aye, just so odd to have a reference design vary so much in price.Quote

24-06-2015, 10:51:19

tinytomlogan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbo1234 View Post
Aye, just so odd to have a reference design vary so much in price.
Thats down to each individual retailer not AMD.Quote

24-06-2015, 10:55:58

mazty
Quote:
Originally Posted by JR23 View Post
Because it's cheaper (at time of review), cooler and quieter...

JR
Sadly that price gap has literally now gone as a reference Ti is the same price as a pre-order (??) Fury X. I have to say that while it's good to see that AMD have at least some competition to the 980 Ti, I am very disappointed that it's big gun is still outmatched by Nvidia's offering. All in all, the tighter the competition, the better it is for the consumer as prices drop and performance increases. If the Fury X had come in as cheaper than the Ti and better, then that would have really disrupted the market. As it stands, all it's made is a little gurgle.Quote

24-06-2015, 10:59:13

Dicehunter
After the OC3D review I read HardOCP's and wow, They really aren't impressed one bit.Quote

24-06-2015, 11:02:45

tinytomlogan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice Hunter View Post
After the OC3D review I read HardOCP's and wow, They really aren't impressed one bit.
Always two ways to look at something, people that listened to the hype expected the best GPU in history.... It wasnt, but it wasnt BAD.Quote

24-06-2015, 11:07:10

Kaapstad
Quote:
Originally Posted by tinytomlogan View Post
At 509 it deserves gold and that was the price we were given (it is out there)

At 649 its a no brainer - buy a GTX980 Ti.
This above

The price will settle down to around £509 once stock is more plentiful.

There is something else people should remember about the price too. In the TX and Ti owners threads I run one of the most popular things people do is replace the reference cooler with the EVGA Hybrid AIO cooler. The Fury X already comes with an AIO solution making it even better value compared to the NV cards.Quote

24-06-2015, 11:09:44

Dicehunter
Quote:
Originally Posted by tinytomlogan View Post
Always two ways to look at something, people that listened to the hype expected the best GPU in history.... It wasnt, but it wasnt BAD.
True that, In all honesty I was expecting a tiny bit more though.Quote

24-06-2015, 11:11:00

Dark NighT
I think Amd did well here, nvidia jumped on them like a scary clown and went Boom baby 980TI, no company would be able to beat that performance in the short time it took from 980ti to releasing this fury X, which was planned a while ago.

The prices maybe swinging around right now but if amd gets their drivers properly out i think they should be fine from this point on, and i really believe that they should grab this result and run with it as fast as they can, this could be a moment where amd grabs some of its market share back, and boy do we need that to happen.Quote

24-06-2015, 11:17:16

DisturbedJim83
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickyjb View Post
£509 on overclockers . but there is a £140 premium on the ones that are in stock

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/produ...Asc&subid=3068

edit all sold out within 30min
and the 980ti is £509 this weeks only offer
out of stock at Scan too but at least they are not charging a £140 premium on models that having nothing more than a sticker change on the fan like overclockers where 1 or 2 models are £509 and the others are £649 ironically the same as the US $ MSRP are they even aware that £1 is worth $1.50.

I used to order regular from overclockers but now it looks like they are attemptimg to fleece the consumer by not even trying to reflect the currency exchange rate I may have to reconsider and order my future products from Scan insteadQuote

24-06-2015, 11:18:12

mazty
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark NighT View Post
I think Amd did well here, nvidia jumped on them like a scary clown and went Boom baby 980TI, no company would be able to beat that performance in the short time it took from 980ti to releasing this fury X, which was planned a while ago.

The prices maybe swinging around right now but if amd gets their drivers properly out i think they should be fine from this point on, and i really believe that they should grab this result and run with it as fast as they can, this could be a moment where amd grabs some of its market share back, and boy do we need that to happen.
The only way AMD will get market share back is if they massively cut their card prices. Drop the Fury X to £450, the 390X to £280 and the 390 to £220. They are behind team green by running hotter, hungrier and with less OC headroom. Therefore they have lost the enthusiast market where performance is everything, so hit Nvidia hard by undercutting them.Quote

24-06-2015, 11:27:14

Kaapstad
Quote:
Originally Posted by mazty View Post
The only way AMD will get market share back is if they massively cut their card prices. Drop the Fury X to £450, the 390X to £280 and the 390 to £220. They are behind team green by running hotter, hungrier and with less OC headroom. Therefore they have lost the enthusiast market where performance is everything, so hit Nvidia hard by undercutting them.
Are you serious they are selling the Fury X to cheap now at a recommended price of £509. For that you are getting a card with -

HBM memory
AIO watercooler
8.9 billion transistors

These things are not cheap or easy for AMD to include in the spec for the asking price.

As to the performance once AMD get the drivers sorted for this new tech those 8.9 billion transistors will start punching their weight, remember the Titan X only packs 8 billion transistors on it's core.Quote

24-06-2015, 11:29:38

spolsh
I hoped for more, believed the hype.

Hopefully prices will fall back to RRP once supply is properly sorted out.Quote

24-06-2015, 11:29:45

CodeKiller
How can the result for the 980 TI can be so different from this test ?

http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/g...80ti_review/10

OMG...Quote

24-06-2015, 11:34:32

TheOrangeOne
Nice review Tom!
The performance is good, but i'm looking forward to see how DX12 will change things, if at allQuote

24-06-2015, 11:35:21

RickPlaysWarr
This is an interesting card. I would see myself using it in a small box for living room gaming. The only issue I have with it is the fact that the performance of the latest and best offering from AMD is already beaten. I wish that it were unlocked so the max performance of the card could be determined. I am also wanting to see if a third party waterblock from EK or XSPC comes as that would make this small performer really attractive for a small liquid cooled build.

I am very interested in seeing if the pro model comes unlocked and what the max potential of the Fury series cards holds.

Great review Tom. Thank you

--Rick--Quote

24-06-2015, 11:38:54

DisturbedJim83
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice Hunter View Post
After the OC3D review I read HardOCP's and wow, They really aren't impressed one bit.
I would say generally speaking to ignore HardOCP's article/ so called review given that its funny KitGuru who where refused a Fury X sample after being a bunch blatent negative nanncy's of the 390X linked to that very review of the Fury X which is about as equally negative as KitGuru is generally of anything AMD.

The short of it was that in the run up to the 300 series launch Kitguru was one of the most excessively negative and dismissive of the 300 series cards back when there was nothing but rumor and speculation to go on effectively dismissing the card before even having any benchmarks to go on.

During the entire time they harped on about the 300 series being a rebrand they utterly failed to mention the numerous instances in which Nvidia had taken a old GPU given it a new name and called it "new". AMD then tells KitGuru "on yer bike you aint getting a Fury X sample" and then 24hrs later Kitguru puts up and article citing the times Nvidia has rebranded a old GPU as "new" a coincidence? I hear the Nvidia fans saying.Sorry but I don't think so guys

For all the times Tom gets called a Nvidia fanboy I think he has proven those accusations wrong by delivering a balanced review of the Fury X if only some of the other so called "professionals" had the same journalistic integrity as Tom.Quote

24-06-2015, 11:51:01

Dicehunter
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaapstad View Post
Are you serious they are selling the Fury X to cheap now at a recommended price of £509. For that you are getting a card with -

HBM memory
AIO watercooler
8.9 billion transistors

These things are not cheap or easy for AMD to include in the spec for the asking price.

As to the performance once AMD get the drivers sorted for this new tech those 8.9 billion transistors will start punching their weight, remember the Titan X only packs 8 billion transistors on it's core.
Performance won't improve much and I'd much rather go for the 980 Ti which gets higher FPS and scores, Yes the AIO is nice but I'd prefer the higher performing part which is Nvidia.

Plus because of the stock shortages most people will just opt for Nvidia anyway, 2-3 weeks is a long time to wait when you are looking at GPU's Quote

24-06-2015, 12:06:44

Greenback
I may have to leave this forum as I'm may be the only one who likes the dinky look of these even for a big atx case, also could be an advantage if you wanted a tube res in the bottom of your case not to be limited to the gpu height from the bottom of the case

Quote:
Plus because of the stock shortages most people will just opt for Nvidia anyway, 2-3 weeks is a long time to wait when you are looking at GPU's
If they have been waiting for AMD's to bring this out another couple of weeks will make no difference imoQuote

24-06-2015, 12:09:54

AngryGoldfish
I'm not sure how much performance can be gained from driver updates. DX12 will improve performance for both AMD and nVidia, as will drivers. Many have complained about poor 980ti release drivers so theoretically the 980ti will also increase with time. This is not a problem at all because it's not all about competition. I'm just saying that I can't imagine performance will reach that of the Titan X or 980ti consistently when games generally favour nVidia, the clocks on Maxwell scale higher and driver support will improve in time for both camps.Quote

24-06-2015, 12:20:20

shadow
What mouse is Tom using on the test rig, is it a M65 ?Quote

24-06-2015, 12:24:09

Ghosthud1
Thing that got me is this....

No voltage control on a liquid-cooled card. Why didn't AMD make sure reviewers could properly OC the card is beyond me, especially after calling the card "an overclocker's dream" at E3. I've only seen a 10% OC at launch.

It's a damn enthusiast tier card!!Quote

24-06-2015, 12:24:43

mazty
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaapstad View Post
Are you serious they are selling the Fury X to cheap now at a recommended price of £509. For that you are getting a card with -

HBM memory
AIO watercooler
8.9 billion transistors

These things are not cheap or easy for AMD to include in the spec for the asking price.

As to the performance once AMD get the drivers sorted for this new tech those 8.9 billion transistors will start punching their weight, remember the Titan X only packs 8 billion transistors on it's core.
All those things count for absolutely nothing - people only care about performance. Why on earth would I want HBM if a card with GDDR5 gives me better performance?? Same with everything else on the list. I'm looking for framerates, not a tech demo for my PC.

It's easy enough to say "once they get the drivers sorted" but I'm not holding my breath.Quote

24-06-2015, 12:28:40

TPC
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghosthud1 View Post
Thing that got me is this....

No voltage control on a liquid-cooled card. Why didn't AMD make sure reviewers could properly OC the card is beyond me, especially after calling the card "an overclocker's dream" at E3. I've only seen a 10% OC at launch.
Because the HBM is bound to the GPU core and rasing the core voltage would raise the mem volts too (thats how I interpreted it)Quote

24-06-2015, 12:29:44

Ghosthud1
Quote:
Originally Posted by mazty View Post
All those things count for absolutely nothing - people only care about performance. Why on earth would I want HBM if a card with GDDR5 gives me better performance?? Same with everything else on the list. I'm looking for framerates, not a tech demo for my PC.

It's easy enough to say "once they get the drivers sorted" but I'm not holding my breath.
I think sticking with HBM was a solid idea, imagine the power envolope with a full GDDR5 8GB setup Quote

24-06-2015, 12:40:56

AlienALX
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice Hunter View Post
Performance won't improve much and I'd much rather go for the 980 Ti which gets higher FPS and scores, Yes the AIO is nice but I'd prefer the higher performing part which is Nvidia.

Plus because of the stock shortages most people will just opt for Nvidia anyway, 2-3 weeks is a long time to wait when you are looking at GPU's
7970 came out. Many months later GTX 680 comes out and was faster. AMD go back to the drawing board, 7970 beats 680 conclusively with nothing more than a driver.

Remember - this is day one. 980ti runs on the same driver the TX uses and that's been around for ages.

£509 AIO cooled means £420 or so with a blower. I know what I'm getting...

£509 won't lasting. Again, it's day one and £509 is launch price. £400 less than Titan X launch price.

TBH? Fookin go AMD! I can't wait to get two of them.

Kaap, did you get four mate?

Also... you can't overclock them yet. You can seriously overclock a ti though!

Edit again. How are you so sure it won't improve much? This has been the most rushed release I've ever seen.Quote

24-06-2015, 12:57:39

Kaapstad
Quote:
Originally Posted by mazty View Post
All those things count for absolutely nothing - people only care about performance. Why on earth would I want HBM if a card with GDDR5 gives me better performance?? Same with everything else on the list. I'm looking for framerates, not a tech demo for my PC.

It's easy enough to say "once they get the drivers sorted" but I'm not holding my breath.
It is easy to say anything on a forum but I have some Fury Xs that will arrive tomorrow. I am prepared to see if I am right in the long term by getting the cards.

What would you recommend, that I should use crappy NVidia cards.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vault-Tec View Post
Kaap, did you get four mate?
Yes.Quote

24-06-2015, 13:14:31

Dicehunter
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaapstad View Post
It is easy to say anything on a forum but I have some Fury Xs that will arrive tomorrow. I am prepared to see if I am right in the long term by getting the cards.

What would you recommend, that I should use crappy NVidia cards.
Spending £2400 on a gamble is a little silly really and venturing dangerously close into anorak territory

And Nvidia cards can't be all that crap when they are beating the fury in most things hands down Quote

24-06-2015, 13:16:56

Kaapstad
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice Hunter View Post
Spending £2400 on a gamble is a little silly really and venturing dangerously close into anorak territory
It is not a gamble.

No card setup can do everything, there are some things that AMD cards do better and some that NVidias do better.

Heck AMD may get out a decent CF profile for the latest Batman game before NVidia get SLI and all the other problems sorted. They did with Shadows of Mordor lol.

TWIMTBP or perhaps not.Quote

24-06-2015, 13:22:34

NeverBackDown
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vault-Tec View Post
Just remember, it ain't over yet. AMD are going to have to drop the price again. Remember, at launch you could spend over a grand on a Titan X.. Now they're £799 which is still a massive urine extraction.

However, this is the price of cards that are really hard to make. Once AMD get the production lines going in full swing they will drop. Why? because today the 980ti dropped to £509, matching the Fury.

So that means AMD need to drop the price. However I will be fair and say that the equivalent liquid cooled 980ti costs £650.

It all depends on whether these cards can be overclocked. They definitely have all of the needed things. 2x8 pin? check. water cooler, check. And so on.
They aren't having production issues. HBM has been in mass production for a while. The issue is everyone is buying them quicker than AMD can get them to stores around the world. They have the quantity, the demand is just crazy high and shipping isn't super fast when lugging around a couple thousand units.

I'll wait and see how the Fury Pro works out. Hopefully it's not a cutdown furyQuote

24-06-2015, 13:24:38

Dicehunter
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaapstad View Post
It is not a gamble.

No card setup can do everything, there are some things that AMD cards do better and some that NVidias do better.

Heck AMD may get out a decent CF profile for the latest Batman game before NVidia get SLI and all the other problems sorted. They did with Shadows of Mordor lol.

TWIMTBP or perhaps not.
If and this is a big IF, IF AMD pull a rabbit out of a hat and hire actual devs instead of exchange students for their driver team and it does end up being more golden shall we say, Then I might get one but the whole stock shortage is annoying especially considering you just literally bought 1/4 of the UK's allowance Quote

24-06-2015, 13:27:10

NeverBackDown
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice Hunter View Post
If and this is a big IF, IF AMD pull a rabbit out of a hat and hire actual devs instead of exchange students for their driver team and it does end up being more golden shall we say, Then I might get one but the whole stock shortage is annoying especially considering you just literally bought 1/4 of the UK's allowance
Even if they are exchange students, their drivers are more reliable than Nvidia's are atm. Think Nvidia should start hiring exchange students now.. Quote

24-06-2015, 13:29:28

Dicehunter
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Originally Posted by NeverBackDown View Post
Even if they are exchange students, their drivers are more reliable than Nvidia's are atm. Think Nvidia should start hiring exchange students now..
The only problem I've had in recent months was the chrome crash bug, Everything else works perfectly Quote

24-06-2015, 13:29:57

cooperman
I'd be interested to see what speeds 8.6 teraflops and HBM rips through litecoin hashes. >_>Quote

24-06-2015, 13:31:53

NeverBackDown
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Originally Posted by Dice Hunter View Post
The only problem I've had in recent months was the chrome crash bug, Everything else works perfectly
Not even the "Display Driver Has Stopped Working" issue you mentioned you had in one of your Nvidia driver threads recently?Quote

24-06-2015, 13:48:31

Zoot
Little disappointed that it wasn't competitive with the Titan X.

But still.. it's a massive jump from the 290X, and it's damn nice to see AMD kicking Nvidia and reminding them they're still there. Quote

24-06-2015, 13:48:42

Dicehunter
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Originally Posted by NeverBackDown View Post
Not even the "Display Driver Has Stopped Working" issue you mentioned you had in one of your Nvidia driver threads recently?
That is the chrome crash bug, Well also happened with firefox but it's to do with hardware acceleration.

Turn off goggle chromes hardware acceleration and it fixes it.Quote

24-06-2015, 13:55:56

NeverBackDown
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Originally Posted by Dice Hunter View Post
That is the chrome crash bug, Well also happened with firefox but it's to do with hardware acceleration.

Turn off goggle chromes hardware acceleration and it fixes it.
Can have it on with AMD cards and it won't crash
Lol

In the US the prices between the 980ti and the Fury X are damn near equal.. Makes for an interesting market battle between them. Hopefully more people choose Fury. Can't have them losing more market shareQuote

24-06-2015, 13:59:08

Dicehunter
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Originally Posted by NeverBackDown View Post
Can have it on with AMD cards and it won't crash
Lol

In the US the prices between the 980ti and the Fury X are damn near equal.. Makes for an interesting market battle between them. Hopefully more people choose Fury. Can't have them losing more market share
Whoopdeedoo 1 thing works on AMD drivers that doesn't on Nvidia drivers, Shame the rest of AMD's drivers are kack

I wouldn't purchase a card based on who has the least market share but what features and performance it has and the 980 Ti beats the Fury X hence I'd go with that if they are the same price.Quote

24-06-2015, 14:02:28

NeverBackDown
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Originally Posted by Dice Hunter View Post
Whoopdeedoo 1 thing works on AMD drivers that doesn't on Nvidia drivers, Shame the rest of AMD's drivers are kack

I wouldn't purchase a card based on who has the least market share but what features and performance it has and the 980 Ti beats the Fury X hence I'd go with that if they are the same price.
Still has no issues from what I have seen for about a year now

I wouldn't purchase a card from a crap company like Nvidia. They don't exactly make me want to spend money on them with the amount of shadyness they've done recently. I won't be buying Nvidia until they sort their crap out. I'd still get a Fury X over a 980ti, they are basically neck and neck and game dependent. 980ti for benchmarking though is the clear winner, which Nvidia has been for the longest of time when pitted against it's equal AMD part.

Before anyone starts to lash out at the last comment.. don't. It's my opinion, no point in arguing over opinionsQuote

24-06-2015, 14:05:54

Dicehunter
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Originally Posted by NeverBackDown View Post
Still has no issues from what I have seen for about a year now

I wouldn't purchase a card from a crap company like Nvidia. They don't exactly make me want to spend money on them with the amount of shadyness they've done recently. I won't be buying Nvidia until they sort their crap out. I'd still get a Fury X over a 980ti, they are basically neck and neck and game dependent. 980ti for benchmarking though is the clear winner, which Nvidia has been for the longest of time when pitted against it's equal AMD part.

Before anyone starts to lash out at the last comment.. don't. It's my opinion, no point in arguing over opinions
To each their own but seeing as more and more games are using Gameworks I'd rather go Nvidia as they are ahead in games plus the GW effects are lush Quote

24-06-2015, 14:06:28

AngryGoldfish
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Originally Posted by Vault-Tec View Post
7970 came out. Many months later GTX 680 comes out and was faster. AMD go back to the drawing board, 7970 beats 680 conclusively with nothing more than a driver.

Remember - this is day one. 980ti runs on the same driver the TX uses and that's been around for ages.

£509 AIO cooled means £420 or so with a blower. I know what I'm getting...

£509 won't lasting. Again, it's day one and £509 is launch price. £400 less than Titan X launch price.

TBH? Fookin go AMD! I can't wait to get two of them.

Kaap, did you get four mate?

Also... you can't overclock them yet. You can seriously overclock a ti though!

Edit again. How are you so sure it won't improve much? This has been the most rushed release I've ever seen.
Why would you buy an AMD blower-style card? If you are adding your own waterblock then I would do the same, but I would not touch an AMD blower-style cooling system, not unless they've completely revamped it. I'd still rather an AIB company like MSI or Sapphire produce a really sweet triple-fan cooling solution. But you're back up to £500 then.

Considering the limited overclocking headroom—that clearly isn't being throttled by temperatures like it was in past generations—I see no reason for an AIO cooler. PCPer mentioned the AIO keeping fan noise levels down—which it does whilst adding inevitable pump noise—but also reducing power consumption. The cooler the GPU and HBM the less power the card will consume. But considering I won't be able to Crossfire these cards I see no issue with an increase in power consumption. If it matches a 390X, so what? I can't Crossfire Fury X anyway so it doesn't bother me.

If the Fury with a good AIB air cooler from ASUS or Powercolor matches a Fury X with the AIO, I think that would be more of an interesting option for me, especially if they come in at €650. This means I wouldn't have to find a place to fit a reservoir and radiator and the price won't be as high.

This is all theoretical of course.Quote

24-06-2015, 14:11:46

NeverBackDown
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Originally Posted by Dice Hunter View Post
To each their own but seeing as more and more games are using Gameworks I'd rather go Nvidia as they are ahead in games plus the GW effects are lush
That is if the game actually works.. *cough* Batman Release*cough*
Only reason they are using Gameworks is because Devs would rather use something that's already done and takes less time to make on their own. So they use Gameworks. I read a study yesterday done by a Security Research Firm that noted 90% of all software programs in the industry were reused/copy pasted code from others(It was in the US, don't know about EU), to help speed up development and get more money because they get it to market sooner, at the expense of actually securing whatever it is they are trying to protect, since nothing is being created to solve the newer upcoming problems, but rather letting current virus's/hacks continue to work on nearly everything). I'd say it carries over to Game Devs too. Getting it to market faster by saving time and money but at the expense of actually benefiting all consumers and just screwing over AMD users.Quote

24-06-2015, 14:15:24

Dicehunter
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Originally Posted by NeverBackDown View Post
That is if the game actually works.. *cough* Batman Release*cough*
Only reason they are using Gameworks is because Devs would rather use something that's already done and takes less time to make on their own. So they use Gameworks. I read a study yesterday done by a Security Research Firm that noted 90% of all software programs in the industry were reused/copy pasted code from others(It was in the US, don't know about EU), to help speed up development and get more money because they get it to market sooner, at the expense of actually securing whatever it is they are trying to protect, since nothing is being created to solve the newer upcoming problems, but rather letting current virus's/hacks continue to work on nearly everything). I'd say it carries over to Game Devs too. Getting it to market faster by saving time and money but at the expense of actually benefiting all consumers and just screwing over AMD users.
The only thing that is mildly annoying about Arkham Knight is the frame cap *Which is easily remedied* and lack of indepth graphical options i.e different types of AA etc..., I've been playing it maxed out at 4K 60FPS on a single Titan X for a total of 3+ hours, Works perfectly, There are a lot of people severely over exaggerating or expecting their older hardware to do too much.Quote

24-06-2015, 14:17:05

Silver Sparrow
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Originally Posted by DisturbedJim83 View Post
For all the times Tom gets called a Nvidia fanboy I think he has proven those accusations wrong by delivering a balanced review of the Fury X if only some of the other so called "professionals" had the same journalistic integrity as Tom.
I feel the same way mate, Tom was pretty much spot on. Maxed out settings throughout, no changes or alternate drivers through product stacks/games. Still really want to see OC results before dropping a lot of the Queens finest down on some cards.

The buzz about OC'n I got from E3 certainly has died down for now Quote

24-06-2015, 14:43:13

NeverBackDown
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Originally Posted by Dice Hunter View Post
The only thing that is mildly annoying about Arkham Knight is the frame cap *Which is easily remedied* and lack of indepth graphical options i.e different types of AA etc..., I've been playing it maxed out at 4K 60FPS on a single Titan X for a total of 3+ hours, Works perfectly, There are a lot of people severely over exaggerating or expecting their older hardware to do too much.
It's still the fact it is limited in the first place and not every gamer will know how to fix it as not every gamer is tech savvy, you're only getting high frame rates at 4k because of the lack of settings, more settings could mean higher ones, meaning less framerates
It's over exaggerated sure but it's still am issue of needing to go out of your way to fix it.
I don't think older hardware is a good argument though, other companies account for that as well, but this is off topic so let's focus on Fury xQuote

24-06-2015, 14:50:55

Dicehunter
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Originally Posted by NeverBackDown View Post
It's still the fact it is limited in the first place and not every gamer will know how to fix it as not every gamer is tech savvy, you're only getting high frame rates at 4k because of the lack of settings, more settings could mean higher ones, meaning less framerates
It's over exaggerated sure but it's still am issue of needing to go out of your way to fix it.
I don't think older hardware is a good argument though, other companies account for that as well, but this is off topic so let's focus on Fury x
Always got to try and get the last word in, Staying true to your username as usual XD

But the older hardware thing is valid, I've seen many people moaning they are getting bad FPS when infact they are just running older hardware and expecting a miracle, I wouldn't run Crysis 3 at 4K with 8xMSAA and expect to get 60FPS solid but there are many people out there that idiotic and then moan and give the game a hard time simply because they expect too much.Quote

24-06-2015, 14:55:05

cooperman
AMD Fury X CrossFire Gaming Benchmarks



http://www.digitalstorm.com/unlocked...an-x-idnum361/Quote

24-06-2015, 14:58:48

JR23
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Originally Posted by cooperman View Post
AMD Fury X CrossFire Gaming Benchmarks



http://www.digitalstorm.com/unlocked...an-x-idnum361/
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https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...83047336_o.jpg

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WINNING
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24-06-2015, 14:59:31

AngryGoldfish
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Originally Posted by Dice Hunter View Post
Always got to try and get the last word in, Staying true to your username as usual XD

But the older hardware thing is valid, I've seen many people moaning they are getting bad FPS when infact they are just running older hardware and expecting a miracle, I wouldn't run Crysis 3 at 4K with 8xMSAA and expect to get 60FPS solid but there are many people out there that idiotic and then moan and give the game a hard time simply because they expect too much.
Have you read the reviews on reddit, Steam, etc? People with 970's and 980's hitting unplayable frame rate drops, textures not working, sound skipping. This is at 1080p. The frame rates are fine when they're fine. They're not fine when they're not, which is a regular occurrence for hundreds of gamers.Quote

24-06-2015, 15:06:59

Dicehunter
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Originally Posted by JR23 View Post
This right here is pure sex !

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Originally Posted by AngryGoldfish View Post
Have you read the reviews on reddit, Steam, etc? People with 970's and 980's hitting unplayable frame rate drops, textures not working, sound skipping. This is at 1080p. The frame rates are fine when they're fine. They're not fine when they're not, which is a regular occurrence for hundreds of gamers.
Graphically the game is ahead of Origins even though it's a tad anaemic in the options department and just like Origins it will get patched, Personally I haven't had any performance problems so I have nothing to moan about Quote

24-06-2015, 15:10:17

NeverBackDown
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Originally Posted by Dice Hunter View Post
Always got to try and get the last word in, Staying true to your username as usual XD

But the older hardware thing is valid, I've seen many people moaning they are getting bad FPS when infact they are just running older hardware and expecting a miracle, I wouldn't run Crysis 3 at 4K with 8xMSAA and expect to get 60FPS solid but there are many people out there that idiotic and then moan and give the game a hard time simply because they expect too much.
No I'm not trying too.. you're the one who just continued on trying to get the last word in I just said off topic and can move to a different thread if you wish to discuss it

That picture JR.. heaven!Quote

24-06-2015, 15:13:19

Dicehunter
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Originally Posted by NeverBackDown View Post
No I'm not trying too.. you're the one who just continued on trying to get the last word in I just said off topic and can move to a different thread if you wish to discuss it

That picture JR.. heaven!
If you say so bud Quote

24-06-2015, 15:16:47

mazty
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Originally Posted by Kaapstad View Post
It is easy to say anything on a forum but I have some Fury Xs that will arrive tomorrow. I am prepared to see if I am right in the long term by getting the cards.

What would you recommend, that I should use crappy NVidia cards.
Looks like you're simply trying to sell yourself the card. If it was powered by pixie dust and rainbows I still wouldn't care and neither should you - you're paying for framerates, nothing more, nothing less.

Look at the benchmarks. Those "crappy" Nvidia cards are performing better than the Fury X, so unless you are buying the cards for their badge, then why wouldn't you consider the 980Ti?? Quote

24-06-2015, 15:18:46

Dicehunter
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Originally Posted by mazty View Post
Looks like you're simply trying to sell yourself the card. If it was powered by pixie dust and rainbows I still wouldn't care and neither should you - you're paying for framerates, nothing more, nothing less.

Look at the benchmarks. Those "crappy" Nvidia cards are performing better than the Fury X, so unless you are buying the cards for their badge, then why wouldn't you consider the 980Ti??
Kaap buys 4 x of every card, 4 x 290X's, 4 x Titans, 4 x 980's, 4 x Titan X's and now 4 x Fury X's.

Kaap is a collector of sorts and the communities go to guy when it comes to non reviewer testing and info Quote

24-06-2015, 15:22:53

NeverBackDown
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Originally Posted by mazty View Post
Looks like you're simply trying to sell yourself the card. If it was powered by pixie dust and rainbows I still wouldn't care and neither should you - you're paying for framerates, nothing more, nothing less.

Look at the benchmarks. Those "crappy" Nvidia cards are performing better than the Fury X, so unless you are buying the cards for their badge, then why wouldn't you consider the 980Ti??
Pretty sure he was joking and being sarcastic about them being crappyQuote

24-06-2015, 15:51:58

mojothejester
Read the reviews, watched the video... Fury X seems like a great card to me. Fury Pro will be custom and cheaper. But for 1080p and possibly 1440p, would a GTX 980 be a good choice? Tom said he's seen the 980 for around £450, but ebuyer has some closer to £350. When you consider price, would it just be worth getting the 980? Or waiting for Fury Pro? I can't justify £510 on a GPU (980Ti is also £510 on overclockers). But on the other hand, my gtx 670 sli performs similar to a single 980 so not sure if it's worth it...Quote

24-06-2015, 15:54:24

NeverBackDown
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Originally Posted by mojothejester View Post
Read the reviews, watched the video... Fury X seems like a great card to me. Fury Pro will be custom and cheaper. But for 1080p and possibly 1440p, would a GTX 980 be a good choice? Tom said he's seen the 980 for around £450, but ebuyer has some closer to £350. When you consider price, would it just be worth getting the 980? Or waiting for Fury Pro? I can't justify £510 on a GPU (980Ti is also £510 on overclockers). But on the other hand, my gtx 670 sli performs similar to a single 980 so not sure if it's worth it...
Wait for reviews.. no one knows what the PRO will be like yet dudeQuote

24-06-2015, 16:07:36

AlienALX
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Originally Posted by NeverBackDown View Post
They aren't having production issues. HBM has been in mass production for a while. The issue is everyone is buying them quicker than AMD can get them to stores around the world. They have the quantity, the demand is just crazy high and shipping isn't super fast when lugging around a couple thousand units.

I'll wait and see how the Fury Pro works out. Hopefully it's not a cutdown fury
They are having production issues. The yields have been very poor.

As for them shipping them? if they weren't having issues they could have done that far sooner to make sure that they were available to buy for every one at launch.

AMD have totally rushed this release, and I truly believe they would have delayed it quite severely had Nvidia not released the 980ti.

Rumour has it they only had about ten samples for the UK.

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Originally Posted by NeverBackDown View Post
Wait for reviews.. no one knows what the PRO will be like yet dude
It'll be faster than the 980 which it's designed to take on, and it'll be cheaper..

As for the other dude. Sorry, CBA quoting but yes I want blower coolers. If Fury X only hits 40s it will be fine. My Titan Black hits 40c on an AIO so I would surmise they are about the same temp wise.Quote

24-06-2015, 16:13:53

AngryGoldfish
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Originally Posted by Vault-Tec View Post
They are having production issues. The yields have been very poor.

As for them shipping them? if they weren't having issues they could have done that far sooner to make sure that they were available to buy for every one at launch.

AMD have totally rushed this release, and I truly believe they would have delayed it quite severely had Nvidia not released the 980ti.

Rumour has it they only had about ten samples for the UK.



It'll be faster than the 980 which it's designed to take on, and it'll be cheaper..

As for the other dude. Sorry, CBA quoting but yes I want blower coolers. If Fury X only hits 40s it will be fine. My Titan Black hits 40c on an AIO so I would surmise they are about the same temp wise.
No worries. Yeah, if you're adding your own water block, reference designs are more sensible.Quote

24-06-2015, 16:17:53

chrismjurd
good solid review!

love the smaller form factor

really want one

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24-06-2015, 16:19:39

AlienALX
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Originally Posted by AngryGoldfish View Post
No worries. Yeah, if you're adding your own water block, reference designs are more sensible.
I don't water cool out of AIOs mate. I just see it as a tragic waste of money that could be spent on more performance.

So many water cooled builds are woefully under specced when it comes to actual performance because of the cost of the parts. And these days it's just not worth it, you're literally doing it for the looks.

I've got an AIO on my Titan Black and it hasn't gone over 40c yet. What's the point?

I like blowers because they are pretty direct with airflow and so on. Feed them cool air in, hot air comes out the back and doesn't bother the top card or other components. I tried SLI on open coolers once and my top GTX 670 was hitting 96c. A mid range Kepler hitting 96c. Pretty tragic stuff.Quote

24-06-2015, 16:25:02

NeverBackDown
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Originally Posted by Vault-Tec View Post
They are having production issues. The yields have been very poor.

As for them shipping them? if they weren't having issues they could have done that far sooner to make sure that they were available to buy for every one at launch.

AMD have totally rushed this release, and I truly believe they would have delayed it quite severely had Nvidia not released the 980
You can think that, however HBM has been mass produced for 10 months now. Which was said by SK themselves. They ship from China.. takes a long long time to move thousands of units.
Demand for review samples is not as important to them as actually selling them. They simply don't need to give every review person samples. They can share them like they usually do.Quote

24-06-2015, 16:27:10

Jbo1234
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Originally Posted by NeverBackDown View Post
Still has no issues from what I have seen for about a year now

I wouldn't purchase a card from a crap company like Nvidia. They don't exactly make me want to spend money on them with the amount of shadyness they've done recently. I won't be buying Nvidia until they sort their crap out. I'd still get a Fury X over a 980ti, they are basically neck and neck and game dependent. 980ti for benchmarking though is the clear winner, which Nvidia has been for the longest of time when pitted against it's equal AMD part.

Before anyone starts to lash out at the last comment.. don't. It's my opinion, no point in arguing over opinions
Yes, Nvidia are so bad they are getting twice the performance per watt then AMD, and they release drivers far more often rather than forcing you to use beta (like what I'm having to do to get my 290 to run GTA V properly).
You ignore the huge OC potential Nvidia has over AMD at the moment, so to say they are neck and neck is very wrong.Quote

24-06-2015, 16:46:19

AngryGoldfish
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Originally Posted by Vault-Tec View Post
I don't water cool out of AIOs mate. I just see it as a tragic waste of money that could be spent on more performance.

So many water cooled builds are woefully under specced when it comes to actual performance because of the cost of the parts. And these days it's just not worth it, you're literally doing it for the looks.

I've got an AIO on my Titan Black and it hasn't gone over 40c yet. What's the point?

I like blowers because they are pretty direct with airflow and so on. Feed them cool air in, hot air comes out the back and doesn't bother the top card or other components. I tried SLI on open coolers once and my top GTX 670 was hitting 96c. A mid range Kepler hitting 96c. Pretty tragic stuff.
"I don't water cool out of AIOs mate"

"I've got an AIO on my Titan Black"

Either I'm misunderstanding you or you've mistyped.

Water cooling is by no means a cost-effective solution. I don't think anyone is ignorant to that. I'm personally eager to try it for the experience, but also for the looks and the silence it can bring. I'm not going to get €600-800 worth of performance out of it. I know that. Air cooling is perfectly adequate for the majority of builds. But then it's all about the experience, not just raw numbers.

AIB-style SLI/Crossfire isn't something I personally recommend, but if you have adequate cooling and spacing between the cards, the top one should only be 5-10°C hotter. Which, in a cool GPU (relatively) like the 970, is not that big of a deal. You'll experience GPU Boost throttling your core clock unless you increase thermal threshold within the BIOS, but it should be perfectly fine. I've seen dozens of 970 SLI setups that weren't using blower style cards.Quote

24-06-2015, 16:58:02

NeverBackDown
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Originally Posted by Jimbo1234 View Post
Yes, Nvidia are so bad they are getting twice the performance per watt then AMD, and they release drivers far more often rather than forcing you to use beta (like what I'm having to do to get my 290 to run GTA V properly).
You ignore the huge OC potential Nvidia has over AMD at the moment, so to say they are neck and neck is very wrong.
Lol arguing over my opinion. You certainly try to troll a lot
Don't bother trying again and don't bother trying to reply to me in this thread, that previous discussion was off topic. If you would like to continue it move it to a new thread. Other than that stay on topic with Fury X.Quote

24-06-2015, 17:07:33

Kaapstad
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Originally Posted by mazty View Post
Looks like you're simply trying to sell yourself the card. If it was powered by pixie dust and rainbows I still wouldn't care and neither should you - you're paying for framerates, nothing more, nothing less.

Look at the benchmarks. Those "crappy" Nvidia cards are performing better than the Fury X, so unless you are buying the cards for their badge, then why wouldn't you consider the 980Ti??
Because I have got 4 EVGA SC TitanXs on water.

I try to be neutral and really don't care for all this arguing about which brand is better.

The Fury X is a very interesting card with a lot of potential.Quote

24-06-2015, 17:23:38

AlienALX
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Originally Posted by NeverBackDown View Post
You can think that, however HBM has been mass produced for 10 months now. Which was said by SK themselves. They ship from China.. takes a long long time to move thousands of units.
Demand for review samples is not as important to them as actually selling them. They simply don't need to give every review person samples. They can share them like they usually do.
I don't need to think that I've got some one who works at one of the biggest retailers in the UK, nay, Europe telling me.

And I trust him more than you, sorry.

AMD have had months and months to get this right. The fact that they haven't, in all that time they had to prepare, speaks volumes.

TBH? if they were readily available for £509 right now I would have a very hard time talking myself out of it. OCUK would not have charged £649 for it and got away with it if they were expecting masses of them soon.

It's just more bumbling but you know? I don't really care. I think this card is solid, and will replace my Titan Blacks. The fact it has hoses long enough for me to put my original plan of AIO-ing my TBs into motion means it's a simple drop in for me. I've already got the bracket and plates I need to just mount them straight in.

I vowed after -

1. Spending over £700 on two 670s only to find Nvidia released the 780 a few months after and was stranded with a poxy 2gb vram.

2. Not even getting a year out of my Titan Blacks @ £1400 before they slap me in the face.

3. The 970 "Oh sorry did we forget to tell you they're actually derped... Oops ! but hey, don't worry you'll still buy from us fork you !"

I would not touch anything Nvidia made with a large pole. So this time for me it'll be Fury (insert whichever one I opt for here ) x2 or, when the actual X2 card drops to £500 like they always do I'll bag myself one of those

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Originally Posted by Kaapstad View Post
Because I have got 4 EVGA SC TitanXs on water.

I try to be neutral and really don't care for all this arguing about which brand is better.

The Fury X is a very interesting card with a lot of potential.
Spoken like a true adult. I've actually had to stop looking at OCUK forums, the petulance is incredible. People posting a benchmark from HardOCP where the 980ti gets a min framerate of 29 and the AMD gets 24 like it's some massive sodding victory. Seriously, if I stick around there ATM I'll end up banned.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showp...56&subcat=3068

There you go. Nearly a month before you can even buy one for the actual RRP and you're saying they're not having issues dude? (not you Kaap).Quote

24-06-2015, 17:42:53

mazty
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Originally Posted by NeverBackDown View Post
Lol arguing over my opinion. You certainly try to troll a lot
Don't bother trying again and don't bother trying to reply to me in this thread, that previous discussion was off topic. If you would like to continue it move it to a new thread. Other than that stay on topic with Fury X.
If your opinion is based on faulty logic, it's fair for someone to then correct you/point out the shortcomings of your opinion....Society today has become almost allergic to criticism

Posts merged - Please do not double post.

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Originally Posted by Kaapstad View Post
Because I have got 4 EVGA SC TitanXs on water.

I try to be neutral and really don't care for all this arguing about which brand is better.

The Fury X is a very interesting card with a lot of potential.
If the regular version can be OC'd, that's where a lot of potential would be. Also, if you're getting 4 as people say, where on earth are all the fans going or you slamming them into a custom loop?Quote

24-06-2015, 18:08:10

Kaapstad
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Originally Posted by mazty View Post
If the regular version can be OC'd, that's where a lot of potential would be. Also, if you're getting 4 as people say, where on earth are all the fans going or you slamming them into a custom loop?
I will probably end up using waterblocks but my case can take 4 Fury X rads with very little effort. I use a LD V8 for that system.Quote

24-06-2015, 18:18:25

Mysterae
There's no doubt that the Fury X is a great card, an initial showcase of HBM technology, but we now know it's not the Titan killer it was hyped out to be. Perhaps the next iteration of the AMD gpu with HBM will be the paradigm shift we so long for.

As someone who put off replacing their SLI 780Ti's with 980Tis, my gut feeling has now been replaced with an informed decision and that is to get 980Ti SLI after all.

For many reasons, in no particular order:

- The 980Ti is now the same price as the Fury X
- The 980Ti is available now to buy, no waiting or high price gouging
- The 980Ti is faster in the games I play
- The 980Ti is more reliable/supported in twin configuration (SLI vs CF)
- Gsync works with SLI, CF doesn't work with Freesync (last I heard)
- The 980Ti can be overclocked widening the performance gap even further
- The Fury X doesn't support HDMI 2.0, but 1.4 instead so a converter is required (if they ever come out)
- Nvidia's drivers are simply better than AMD's
- Aesthetically the 980Ti is nicer, a small issue yes, but it does matter to me
- The resale value of the 980Ti will be higher (opinion, not fact of course)
- I see the AIO of the Fury X as a hindrance, not a bonus
- If the pump goes in the Fury X the whole thing has to exchanged, where as if the pump goes in my system I can revert back to air while it's replaced
- I've not read about the speed of the pump in the Fury X being monitored, so if it fails mid-game it'll cook that chip quicker than Aunt Bessie's finest at gas mark 9
- If I hear that the drivers will be the panacea and our lord the saviour one more time...

That's a long list.

I wanted the Fury X to be awesome, I've had many ATI/AMD cpu's and gpu's in the past way back from the Athlon and 9800Pro days, but I'll be with Nvidia that bit longer.Quote

24-06-2015, 18:25:21

JR23
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Originally Posted by Mysterae View Post
There's no doubt that the Fury X is a great card....
List way too long. I would of just said: "I'm going to buy 980Ti's because they are bigger"


Having said that CF performance looked quite impressive in the benchmarks i've seen. I think Tom, Tom!, TOM! needs to do a CF/SLI roundup with 2x 390X's, 2x 980Ti's, 2x Titan X's and 2x Fury X's with many 4k benchmarks

JRQuote

24-06-2015, 18:48:09

Mysterae
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Originally Posted by JR23 View Post
List way too long. I would of just said: "I'm going to buy 980Ti's because they are bigger"


Having said that CF performance looked quite impressive in the benchmarks i've seen. I think Tom, Tom!, TOM! needs to do a CF/SLI roundup with 2x 390X's, 2x 980Ti's, 2x Titan X's and 2x Fury X's with many 4k benchmarks

JR
So that's the only item on the list that you agree on? I can't believe that.Quote

24-06-2015, 18:56:36

JR23
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Originally Posted by Mysterae View Post
So that's the only item on the list that you agree on? I can't believe that.
It's the only one which would actually influence my decision to use them. I would happily overlook a lot of shortcomings for aesthetics. If it was a really small ITX rig however then much win from the short PCB, I corrected that to really small because even in my ITX rig I used a full length card to fill it out. And to demonstrate with some cunning solution you can effectively cool a high TDP card like a 290X. While it's nice AMD went with the same solution as me it does kinda spoil the fun at my end

JRQuote

24-06-2015, 19:21:43

Jbo1234
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Originally Posted by NeverBackDown View Post
Lol arguing over my opinion. You certainly try to troll a lot
Don't bother trying again and don't bother trying to reply to me in this thread, that previous discussion was off topic. If you would like to continue it move it to a new thread. Other than that stay on topic with Fury X.
It's my opinion that the moon is made of cheese. See what happened there? Opinions can be total garbage and called out on.
It's on topic and you are the one derailing this thread like no tomorrow with having a go at everyone and desperate to get the last word in...which you even try to defend *facepalm*

Fact is that the Fury doesn't trump Nvidias top cards and its OC potential is less, and its price point is not lower ergo, how are AMD the good brand and Nvidia the "crap" one? How about it's a card that would have sold great if it had come out on time, but now it didn't so its marketplace is a little confused and it is not the 4k gaming beast AMD claimed it to be...rather than 100% brand bashing like your response.Quote

24-06-2015, 19:32:32

NeverBackDown
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Originally Posted by mazty View Post
If your opinion is based on faulty logic, it's fair for someone to then correct you/point out the shortcomings of your opinion....Society today has become almost allergic to criticism
if you read the posts, my opinion was based off what i thought about the company. You can't argue that. I don't see why you two feel you can argue on opinions...Quote

24-06-2015, 19:40:38

Feronix
No, because the material of which the moon is made is not relative.

Now behave or infractions will be handed out.Quote

24-06-2015, 22:20:41

NeverBackDown
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Originally Posted by Feronix View Post
No, because the material of which the moon is made is not relative.

Now behave or infractions will be handed out.
Trolls will continue to troll

Fury X is a great card, however I'm waiting for something like the Nano to come out, that should be an even bigger steal.Quote

24-06-2015, 22:51:09

Kushiro
See NBD anything at all negative about nVidia is brand bashing, careful with the words... Dont want the troll to stroll out of its cave so often.Quote

24-06-2015, 23:14:25

Kaapstad
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Originally Posted by Newbie_NS810 View Post
See NBD anything at all negative about nVidia is brand bashing, careful with the words... Dont want the troll to stroll out of its cave so often.
I have not read most of this thread but as an NVidia user I don't have a problem with negative comments as long as they are based in fact.

A good example of the above is the latest Batman game where one of the first things you see is the letters TWIMTBP and when the game runs you find out it is a total mess. People need to hold NV or AMD to account when they get it wrong but this is different to being blindly brand loyal.

I would like to type some more but I need some more Bacardi !!!Quote

25-06-2015, 01:22:53

Kushiro
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Originally Posted by Kaapstad View Post
I have not read most of this thread but as an NVidia user I don't have a problem with negative comments as long as they are based in fact.

A good example of the above is the latest Batman game where one of the first things you see is the letters TWIMTBP and when the game runs you find out it is a total mess. People need to hold NV or AMD to account when they get it wrong but this is different to being blindly brand loyal.

I would like to type some more but I need some more Bacardi !!!
Post was in no way directed at you Quote

25-06-2015, 01:44:57

NeverBackDown
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Originally Posted by Kaapstad View Post
I have not read most of this thread but as an NVidia user I don't have a problem with negative comments as long as they are based in fact.

A good example of the above is the latest Batman game where one of the first things you see is the letters TWIMTBP and when the game runs you find out it is a total mess. People need to hold NV or AMD to account when they get it wrong but this is different to being blindly brand loyal.

I would like to type some more but I need some more Bacardi !!!
Same with AMD, only problem is that it is AMD and people nearly all view AMD as a joke. So more often than not it's based off nothing but stereotyping (can't think of a better word) their past and applying it to now.

Honestly imo the Fury X was designed to beat the 980 and give the TX a run for it's money in regards to price/performance. I also think they achieved that but it was sort of overhyped into beating a TX and Nvidia getting the 980ti out the door so quickly aided into making it seem little less worthy of the value it actually holds. It can give the 980ti a run for it's money as it's right on the heels of it, so while it was intended originally for that, it sort of worked out for AMD. The only thing I wish they changed with Fury X is unlocked voltage control or at least limit it and give a reason why it is limited. No other issues that irk me with it, it's a great product and should help aid them in market share no doubt.Quote

25-06-2015, 03:03:30

Tolemac
This product could be a life saver for AMD lets not forget this but they do need to employ more software engineers which they actually admitted months agoQuote

25-06-2015, 03:16:01

Chrazey
I have not yet seen the video, but since I can now see this card coming in at the same price as the EVGA 980Ti card I got (only 1 or 2 that are cheaper), I got the 980Ti.

For a number of reasons, but won't say them here as it's no point. But 2 major that were for me is the AIO, I don't like them. Don't like the look of it nor does it go well in my case. And I like the look of Nvidia's reference and the major part, it's blower style. All the heat goes out the back.

So it was a no brainer for me... since this is my final purchase for my PC now, since I will use this for a few years now, I went a bit hard on the money (I've been using an 6950 since 2012).

Will look at the review later on today

And also good on you Feronix for stepping in on the out of topic part... I'm no better at it, but I don't get how almost every thread goes out of subject lol.

Saying opinions etc is everyone's right, but being so picky about things that other people say and always trying to be right, just isn't worth it in my opinion... and trust me, I've been one of those people that were really keen on it.

Anyway, hope that those who get this card will be happy with it

Good to see AMD getting on the market again, hope it will do them good this time around Quote

25-06-2015, 04:00:28

AndyN
I was really looking forward to see what this card could do, and I was hoping it would be able to at least equal a TX (not because I am an AMD fanboy (I currently have a 780Ti) but because competition is good for us users). I think I will stick with what I've got for now, as it is good enough for me, and see what the next gen of both AMD and nVidia have to offer.Quote

25-06-2015, 04:35:25

mazty
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Originally Posted by NeverBackDown View Post
if you read the posts, my opinion was based off what i thought about the company. You can't argue that. I don't see why you two feel you can argue on opinions...
"I think AMD is literally ran by millions of seagulls."

Look, a wrong opinion. What you think about something can be wrong, so try to be open to the fact that what you think isn't always right and some people may point that out. Again, stop being allergic to criticism. AMD has released a card that is "fine". Nothing more, nothing less. Drivers will not fix it. AMD drivers at any rate tend to be problematic so to expect them to be a solution is nuts. I think the Fury may be more promising but again it depends on price point and from what I can see, AMD are priced around £50 too high from the 390 upwards.Quote

25-06-2015, 04:37:42

Tolemac
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Originally Posted by mazty View Post
"I think AMD is literally ran by millions of seagulls."

Look, a wrong opinion. What you think about something can be wrong, so try to be open to the fact that what you think isn't always right and some people may point that out. Again, stop being allergic to criticism. AMD has released a card that is "fine". Nothing more, nothing less. Drivers will not fix it. AMD drivers at any rate tend to be problematic so to expect them to be a solution is nuts. I think the Fury may be more promising but again it depends on price point and from what I can see, AMD are priced around £50 too high from the 390 upwards.
So how will new drivers NOT fix the issue Quote

25-06-2015, 04:40:47

Chrazey
For the love of god peeps, can we just please stop picking on each others opinions?... Everyone is entitled to their opinions yes, not saying anything about that. But the more anyone starts to question that or comment on that, the deeper that discussion goes and therefore more away from the actual subject of the thread. Which is about the review of the AMD R9 Fury Review itself.Quote

25-06-2015, 04:44:25

Tolemac
WE are ALL entitled to our opinion without offending others it's how you word it dude Quote

25-06-2015, 04:44:32

mazty
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Originally Posted by Feronix View Post
No, because the material of which the moon is made is not relative.

Now behave or infractions will be handed out.
But neither is how a company's products performs. There are plenty of ways of measuring this - benchmarks being the best one, as well as driver support etc. To claim that Nvidia are a crap company is based on nothing uptodate or factual. The benchmarks clearly support this, and their pricing is very competitive. To say it's relative whether Nvidia are crap or not simply is not true if we are talking about their GPU's. If we are talking about something like managing holiday time in their HR staff, well I think that'd be a metric far harder to argue, but that isn't what is being said...

Considering AMD have tried to meet the 980Ti price range, I think this is a good example that market pricing is very healthy and hopefully the 980Ti and Fury X pricing will float together.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tolemac View Post
So how will new drivers NOT fix the issue
I think one thing that needs to happen is allowing Fury X to be OC'd as they promised and I don't know if drivers can do that, plus I think it may be reasonable to assume that drivers may only give a few frames bump in games rather than pushing it into the zone of equaling or besting the Ti. Also if AMD can improve frames, doesn't it only make sense to think Nvidia could do the same?Quote

25-06-2015, 04:50:15

AlienALX
AMD - Always Mastering Defeat

Well it made me smile.Quote

25-06-2015, 04:53:11

Tolemac
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Originally Posted by Vault-Tec View Post
AMD - Always Mastering Defeat

Well it made me smile.
"chuckles to himself"Quote

25-06-2015, 05:48:40

Chrazey
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Originally Posted by Tolemac View Post
WE are ALL entitled to our opinion without offending others it's how you word it dude
Maybe, a good way to put it, not denying that... but still as what I wrote though

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vault-Tec View Post
AMD - Always Mastering Defeat

Well it made me smile.
Yeah, that me smile again and very good abbreviation there Vault Quote

25-06-2015, 05:59:41

AlienALX
It's not mine. It comes from the latest Hitler video. I would post it, but seeing as this forum is now pretty much a police state I won't as it would only earn me another warning from the heavy handed mods.Quote

25-06-2015, 06:03:31

barnsley
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Originally Posted by Vault-Tec View Post
It's not mine. It comes from the latest Hitler video. I would post it, but seeing as this forum is now pretty much a police state I won't as it would only earn me another warning from the heavy handed mods.
nah, thats not the stuff you get in trouble for


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhVo7yPjQvE
That one?Quote

25-06-2015, 06:05:27

tinytomlogan
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Originally Posted by Vault-Tec View Post
It's not mine. It comes from the latest Hitler video. I would post it, but seeing as this forum is now pretty much a police state I won't as it would only earn me another warning from the heavy handed mods.
You can stop with that police state malarky right now. As for the heavy handed mods youve been given a lot of leyway and Ive personally tried to make sure everything has been spot on. So dont start pushing those buttons fella.

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25-06-2015, 06:15:21

Chrazey
Now I gotta admit, that video was kinda funny... even spot on with the comments in the specific situations

Sorry Tom for a bit out of topic, but anyone know which movie this is from?... seen this video few times in different topics, but never seen or knew what movie it actually is.Quote

25-06-2015, 06:23:22

SPS
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrazey View Post
Now I gotta admit, that video was kinda funny... even spot on with the comments in the specific situations

Sorry Tom for a bit out of topic, but anyone know which movie this is from?... seen this video few times in different topics, but never seen or knew what movie it actually is.
Downfall, it literally says it in the description Quote

25-06-2015, 06:30:34

Chrazey
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Originally Posted by SPS View Post
Downfall, it literally says it in the description
Haha come on! ... That's why I'm Chrazey and I looked at it on OC3D, never opened it up in a seperate tab lmao.

Thanks though SPS! Quote

25-06-2015, 06:32:35

AlienALX
Quote:
Originally Posted by tinytomlogan View Post
You can stop with that police state malarky right now. As for the heavy handed mods youve been given a lot of leyway and Ive personally tried to make sure everything has been spot on. So dont start pushing those buttons fella.
I got a warning and my post was deleted because I called that guy on Kitguru a douche. Firstly, douche is not a swear word it's an implement women use to erm, wash themselves with. Yes, it's derogatory but after what he was saying I felt it was within my right to criticise him.

All he was doing was banging on about how AMD were going to use cards they made in 2011 to prop up their top end. Which of course has turned out to be completely erroneous.

So why, then, am I not allowed to voice my opinion?

Was I harsh? yeah probably. Was he being harsh though? most certainly. No offence Tom, but it's people like that who will put AMD out of business with their crap talking. And that annoys me.

So yes, I feel that was overly harsh. Reviewers get to criticise what they like and say what they like - why should I be soft handed in my response?

Remember - nothing in life is ever fun if you remove all of the passion from it.Quote

25-06-2015, 06:39:13

SPS
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vault-Tec View Post
I got a warning and my post was deleted because I called that guy on Kitguru a douche. Firstly, douche is not a swear word it's an implement women use to erm, wash themselves with. Yes, it's derogatory but after what he was saying I felt it was within my right to criticise him.

All he was doing was banging on about how AMD were going to use cards they made in 2011 to prop up their top end. Which of course has turned out to be completely erroneous.

So why, then, am I not allowed to voice my opinion?

Was I harsh? yeah probably. Was he being harsh though? most certainly. No offence Tom, but it's people like that who will put AMD out of business with their crap talking. And that annoys me.

So yes, I feel that was overly harsh. Reviewers get to criticise what they like and say what they like - why should I be soft handed in my response?

Remember - nothing in life is ever fun if you remove all of the passion from it.
VT, the post was never deleted and it was simply a request to tone down the aggression - it's still here. Anyway can we keep it on topic here, we're happy to discuss this sort of stuff over PM, cheers! Quote

25-06-2015, 06:54:35

tinytomlogan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vault-Tec View Post
I got a warning and my post was deleted because I called that guy on Kitguru a douche. Firstly, douche is not a swear word it's an implement women use to erm, wash themselves with. Yes, it's derogatory but after what he was saying I felt it was within my right to criticise him.

All he was doing was banging on about how AMD were going to use cards they made in 2011 to prop up their top end. Which of course has turned out to be completely erroneous.

So why, then, am I not allowed to voice my opinion?

Was I harsh? yeah probably. Was he being harsh though? most certainly. No offence Tom, but it's people like that who will put AMD out of business with their crap talking. And that annoys me.

So yes, I feel that was overly harsh. Reviewers get to criticise what they like and say what they like - why should I be soft handed in my response?

Remember - nothing in life is ever fun if you remove all of the passion from it.

It wasnt douche mate - you used another word. I know because I authorised the infraction.Quote

25-06-2015, 07:01:19

Chrazey
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Originally Posted by SPS View Post
VT, the post was never deleted and it was simply a request to tone down the aggression - it's still here. Anyway can we keep it on topic here, we're happy to discuss this sort of stuff over PM, cheers!
Quote:
Originally Posted by tinytomlogan View Post
It wasnt douche mate - you used another word. I know because I authorised the infraction.
Okay... can we all please drop this now and get back on topic pretty please? Quote

25-06-2015, 09:02:56

cooperman
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Originally Posted by NeverBackDown View Post
Trolls will continue to troll

Fury X is a great card, however I'm waiting for something like the Nano to come out, that should be an even bigger steal.
The nano is going to come with relative performance to a 290x/390
But it looks cute.
spoken about in this video by AMD's 'chef gaming scientist' - that job title still makes me giggle.

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25-06-2015, 09:06:03

Dicehunter
As it's less performance than a Titan X or 980 Ti I'm in no rush to get one BUT I do want one.

I always like to have the best single GPU from both green and red teams, It's just a shame AMD are having supply issues due to production issues.Quote

25-06-2015, 11:46:12

AngryGoldfish
I'm interested to see what the dual BIOS is for when overclocking the card is seemingly so limited. Maybe AMD have plans to unlock specific features with future BIOS and driver updates. If they do have a way to increase the voltages of the GPU as well as the memory without causing issues and have wavered that option for release due to fine-tuning, I'm very curious to see how hard folks can push the card. Temperatures are not going to be an issue, and neither will power. It seems that voltage is what is needed. If we can get that cooking, maybe then it will compete with a 980ti whilst being cheaper in a lot of places.Quote

25-06-2015, 12:29:53

cooperman
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Originally Posted by AngryGoldfish View Post
I'm interested to see what the dual BIOS is for when overclocking the card is seemingly so limited. Maybe AMD have plans to unlock specific features with future BIOS and driver updates. If they do have a way to increase the voltages of the GPU as well as the memory without causing issues and have wavered that option for release due to fine-tuning, I'm very curious to see how hard folks can push the card. Temperatures are not going to be an issue, and neither will power. It seems that voltage is what is needed. If we can get that cooking, maybe then it will compete with a 980ti whilst being cheaper in a lot of places.
I am only speculating at the moment but i am gessing the VRAM and the GPU core is currently locked down because the flash chips are on the gpu die over volting one will affect the other,but i did here AMD say the gpu core had a up to 2000mhz limit in CCC (maybe a future update?)Quote

25-06-2015, 13:18:05

AngryGoldfish
Quote:
Originally Posted by cooperman View Post
I am only speculating at the moment but i am gessing the VRAM and the GPU core is currently locked down because the flash chips are on the gpu die over volting one will affect the other,but i did here AMD say the gpu core had a up to 2000mhz limit in CCC (maybe a future update?)
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Currently maybe they can't safely allow overvolting for overclocks due to instability with the memory, but with a future BIOS and/or driver update it might be unlocked and become a genuine option for those looking for more. That might explain their confidence with it being an overclockers dream.

Or they could have been BS'ing. Quote

25-06-2015, 13:34:05

cooperman
Quote:
Originally Posted by AngryGoldfish View Post
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Currently maybe they can't safely allow overvolting for overclocks due to instability with the memory, but with a future BIOS and/or driver update it might be unlocked and become a genuine option for those looking for more. That might explain their confidence with it being an overclockers dream.

Or they could have been BS'ing.
Yes they could have been BS'ing i am more intrigued with a recent interview with 'amd chief gaming scientist' Richard Huddy on the use's of the furry's HBM VRAM stateing that the card can take up and use system memory for games and compute power stateing the more system ram you have can give you more power and in workstashon environments can take 'tens of gbs' of system memory for more power.

Now this is the first i am hearing about that i am gessing thats a windows 10 DX12 environment with maybe AMD's new chips? dont know but its interesting none the less i will be watching this transition of new technology closely over the next 6-12mths.Quote

25-06-2015, 13:35:59

AngryGoldfish
Quote:
Originally Posted by cooperman View Post
Yes they could have been BS'ing i am more intrigued with a recent interview with 'amd chief gaming scientist' Richard Huddy on the use's of the furry's HBM VRAM stateing that the card can take up and use system memory for games and compute power stateing the more system ram you have can give you more power and in workstashon environments can take 'tens of gbs' of system memory for more power.

Now this is the first i am hearing about that i am gessing thats a windows 10 DX12 environment with maybe AMD's new chips? dont know but its interesting none the less i will be watching this transition of new technology closely over the next 6-12mths.
Yeah, I imagine we'll be seeing 16GB of high frequency DDR4 becoming more of a common sight with DX12 and Skylake.Quote

25-06-2015, 13:53:48

Wraith
Going to be good to see if Cooler Master have made a pump that doesn't crap out after a few weeks or months of use, I'll not hold my breath on them. AMD have done a stonkin job manufacturing these cards they are solidly built and looks to die for.. Would love to mod one of these cards... say swap out the black cover for a smoked or 2 way mirror acrylic and use the cards fan header for putting some LEDs inside Performance wise it's about where I'd expect it to be right between the 980 and 980 Ti even the pricing is matching this. Can't wait for the Nano and Fury Pro reviews and I tip my hat to AMD welcome back to the market.

On the other hand after visiting my local shop, they have 12 of these on pre order for damn Miners! I have a feeling their going to be in short supply for actual gamers due to those morons still coin mining.Quote

25-06-2015, 19:38:32

AlienALX
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice Hunter View Post
As it's less performance than a Titan X or 980 Ti I'm in no rush to get one BUT I do want one.

I always like to have the best single GPU from both green and red teams, It's just a shame AMD are having supply issues due to production issues.
The Titan X was just as bad tbh. Unless you bent over and paid OCUK's grand there was a month wait.

Honestly it does irk me a little that these companies release things you can't realistically buy yet. You'd think they'd sodding learn.

I want two of these pretty bad. Not bad enough to pay what they're asking though. I can wait Plus it's starting to shape up to be another cracking summer like last year so last thing I want right now is to be tied to a PC.Quote

25-06-2015, 19:43:22

Dicehunter
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vault-Tec View Post
The Titan X was just as bad tbh. Unless you bent over and paid OCUK's grand there was a month wait.

Honestly it does irk me a little that these companies release things you can't realistically buy yet. You'd think they'd sodding learn.

I want two of these pretty bad. Not bad enough to pay what they're asking though. I can wait Plus it's starting to shape up to be another cracking summer like last year so last thing I want right now is to be tied to a PC.
Well they should be in stock in 2 weeks for £509.99p, The £649.99p is just OCUK price gouging, Any business would do it.

I'm going to wait until August to get one to play with as stock shouldn't be an issue then Quote

25-06-2015, 21:10:22

AlienALX
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Originally Posted by Dice Hunter View Post
Well they should be in stock in 2 weeks for £509.99p, The £649.99p is just OCUK price gouging, Any business would do it.

I'm going to wait until August to get one to play with as stock shouldn't be an issue then
To be fair Scan didn't appear to be doing it. They were £519, reasonable I thought. Good thing I didn't get paid until tonight or I'd probably have taken a slap from Mrs Vault-Tec

To be honest though I am starting to have "want it now !" remorse already. If I'm being completely honest the last few years of PC gaming for me have been pretty barren. I fell in love with Fallout 3 and once you play a game so beautifully crafted it's hard to accept poo. There have been a couple of games since about 2011 when I stopped playing FO3 and NV but only a couple. South Park was exceptional and I really couldn't believe how good that was, but I played through that using a 1.6ghz 6 core Westmere and a GTX 480.

The next game for me is Fallout 4, and it's already abundantly clear that my Titan Blacks will easily manage to push that at max settings at 4k.

GTAV was OK, but I can't stand the Trevor missions (or the filthy bugger himself) so I've kind of fallen out of favour with that so basically me and Mrs VT are playing through Borderlands 1 and 2 again, and possibly some DLC action too. We have plenty of it (check the latest Humble guys if you haven't already).

But yeah, once you play a game like Fallout 3 (or Skyrim if you're an elves and monsters kinda dude) then nothing else seems even worth playing.Quote

27-06-2015, 06:30:34

Dicehunter
Apparently the whole of north america had a total stock count of around 700 Fury X's according to a mate of mine who works in NewEgg, Not sure if this is just NewEgg but yeah that is a lot lower than I thought it would be, AMD must really be having production issues.Quote

27-06-2015, 07:17:00

Kong
Is there any word yet on the revision AMD made to retail cards to deal with the coil whine?Quote

27-06-2015, 13:57:30

NeverBackDown
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Originally Posted by Kong View Post
Is there any word yet on the revision AMD made to retail cards to deal with the coil whine?
Don't know how that's an issue when no one has one yet...Quote

27-06-2015, 14:06:39

Dicehunter
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Originally Posted by NeverBackDown View Post
Don't know how that's an issue when no one has one yet...
OCUK sold around 20 before it sold out, The OCUK forums only has 3 people on the owners list though, Kaapstad being one of them.Quote

27-06-2015, 14:09:15

Thelosouvlakia
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Originally Posted by Dice Hunter View Post
OCUK sold around 20, The OCUK forums only has 3 people on the owners list thought, Kaapstad being one of them.
Summon Kaapstad to answer all teh questions Quote

27-06-2015, 14:12:50

Dicehunter
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Originally Posted by Thelosouvlakia View Post
Summon Kaapstad to answer all teh questions
Quote:
Summoner Overclocking Chant:

Oh Kaap of mighty stad, Come forth with your GPU's of many, With your chips so high, Your PCB's beyond thine eye.

Come forth and grant us the sight of your clocks of over with the water of blocks and clocks beyond the box.
Give it a minute, usually takes a while to reach him Quote

27-06-2015, 14:17:51

Thelosouvlakia
Does the summoning require a sacrifice of a cpu/gpu under LN2? Quote

27-06-2015, 14:24:21

Dicehunter
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Originally Posted by Thelosouvlakia View Post
Does the summoning require a sacrifice of a cpu/gpu under LN2?
No, After we have done the chanting we need to wave 4 really expensive cards around shouting -

"These are faster than what you have".

Then and only then when we have done both things will he appear !Quote

27-06-2015, 14:25:47

Tripp
lmfao :')Quote

27-06-2015, 15:45:15

AlienALX
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Originally Posted by Dice Hunter View Post
Apparently the whole of north america had a total stock count of around 700 Fury X's according to a mate of mine who works in NewEgg, Not sure if this is just NewEgg but yeah that is a lot lower than I thought it would be, AMD must really be having production issues.
Yup.

Most of their Fury X (Newegg) now say "Coming soon" and don't have a price on..

My pal has been weighing up either a Fury or 980ti for 4k and he's going to wait, probably the sensible thing to do.

I've been hearing that AMD are rewriting the drivers, and some are hinting at massive performance gains. It could well beat the 980ti after all. Now before I get jumped on - remember this - AMD Fury X runs on a brand new driver. The 980ti runs on a mature driver that was also used for Titan X and, well, IMO Nvidia are better at drivers.

But we could be talking Titan X performance, if AMD get it right.

Exciting times for sure.Quote

27-06-2015, 15:58:13

Dicehunter
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Originally Posted by Vault-Tec View Post
Yup.

Most of their Fury X (Newegg) now say "Coming soon" and don't have a price on..

My pal has been weighing up either a Fury or 980ti for 4k and he's going to wait, probably the sensible thing to do.

I've been hearing that AMD are rewriting the drivers, and some are hinting at massive performance gains. It could well beat the 980ti after all. Now before I get jumped on - remember this - AMD Fury X runs on a brand new driver. The 980ti runs on a mature driver that was also used for Titan X and, well, IMO Nvidia are better at drivers.

But we could be talking Titan X performance, if AMD get it right.

Exciting times for sure.
Remember that we haven't had a "Wonder" driver from Nvidia yet, We got one for the GK110 series of cards i.e 780/780 Ti/Titan/Titan Black and we will get one for the GM200 series of cards.

I think that's why Nvidia haven't released it yet, They are waiting to see what AMD can squeeze out of the Fury X with better drivers.

But seeing as the Fury X gets 17k GPU score in 3DMark Firestrike 1.1 and a well overclocked 980 Ti can get 22K I'm not holding my breath to be honest.

That being said I still plan on getting one when they are back in stock.Quote

27-06-2015, 16:03:05

Silver Sparrow
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Originally Posted by Vault-Tec View Post
I've been hearing that AMD are rewriting the drivers, and some are hinting at massive performance gains. It could well beat the 980ti after all. Now before I get jumped on - remember this - AMD Fury X runs on a brand new driver. The 980ti runs on a mature driver that was also used for Titan X and, well, IMO Nvidia are better at drivers.

But we could be talking Titan X performance, if AMD get it right.

Exciting times for sure.
If they do pull off that miracle then I'll be eagerly awaiting their 14/16nm offerings, as they should by then have a lead on nvidia with HBM based drivers. Sadly in my case waited long enough (typically bat for AMD if perf is on par) so will be team green till q2 2016. Anyone need some 290's ?!

Still the Nano has great appeal and wouldn't mind picking up first gen HBM based cards (its a bit of history to be!).Quote

28-06-2015, 05:32:47

AlienALX
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Originally Posted by Dice Hunter View Post
Remember that we haven't had a "Wonder" driver from Nvidia yet, We got one for the GK110 series of cards i.e 780/780 Ti/Titan/Titan Black and we will get one for the GM200 series of cards.

I think that's why Nvidia haven't released it yet, They are waiting to see what AMD can squeeze out of the Fury X with better drivers.

But seeing as the Fury X gets 17k GPU score in 3DMark Firestrike 1.1 and a well overclocked 980 Ti can get 22K I'm not holding my breath to be honest.

That being said I still plan on getting one when they are back in stock.
It could take AMD absolutely ages tbh. I mean what we have right now is basically an alpha driver.

I'm hopeful though Quote

28-06-2015, 11:11:12

AngryGoldfish
The way I see it, unless they unlock the voltages—if they are able to safely—the 980ti will always come out on top due to its headroom and availability as an air cooled as well as an AIO/water cooled card. Also, nVidia and game developers really need to allow AMD to optimise their drivers for new titles that clearly prefer nVidia GPU's.Quote

28-06-2015, 11:16:00

Dicehunter
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Originally Posted by AngryGoldfish View Post
The way I see it, unless they unlock the voltages—if they are able to safely—the 980ti will always come out on top due to its headroom and availability as an air cooled as well as an AIO/water cooled card. Also, nVidia and game developers really need to allow AMD to optimise their drivers for new titles that clearly prefer nVidia GPU's.
Unlocking voltages though might bring into play some problems for the HBM seeing as it's on the same die as the GPU, You already can't overclock the HBM so it will probably be very tricky to just unlock voltages for the GPU without borking the HBM.

Hopefully they find a way around it though.Quote

28-06-2015, 11:22:47

AngryGoldfish
Yes, that's what I mean by "safely".

But yeah, I hope they find a way eventually.Quote

28-06-2015, 13:03:37

AlienALX
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Originally Posted by AngryGoldfish View Post
The way I see it, unless they unlock the voltages—if they are able to safely—the 980ti will always come out on top due to its headroom and availability as an air cooled as well as an AIO/water cooled card. Also, nVidia and game developers really need to allow AMD to optimise their drivers for new titles that clearly prefer nVidia GPU's.
Without exaggerating. The Fury X, technically, is in a different league to the 980ti. It's spanking new tech.

AMD suck at writing drivers. I'm not going to butter it up, I love AMD, but their drivers suck.

So that leaves me with hope. A lot of hope. It doesn't really bother me any 'cause I run 4k and the AMD will always be cheaper so I'm sold.Quote

28-06-2015, 13:09:16

AngryGoldfish
It would be awesome if they were able to squeeze 5-15 FPS out of it with nothing more than driver optimizations.

I've been put off by the Fury X more for its water cooler, to be honest. I don't see how I'm going to fit it into my case without completely ruining the looks of my system, which I have been trying to get right for months and months. I'd rather go AMD for the cheaper Freesync, to give my middle finger to nVidia for screwing up the 970 experience for me and to support newer technology that has a lot of potential. But nothing about the Fury X fits my build visually.Quote

28-06-2015, 13:32:03

AlienALX
Yeah we need the air cooled version. I guess they won't bother until they can sort out the supply tbh.Quote

28-06-2015, 13:34:21

AngryGoldfish
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Originally Posted by Vault-Tec View Post
Yeah we need the air cooled version. I guess they won't bother until they can sort out the supply tbh.
Will the air-cooled Fury Pro be the same specifications as the water cooled Fury X? Didn't TTL post a news article that showed the Fury (Pro) being a slightly chopped up Fiji chip like the 980ti is to the Titan X?Quote

28-06-2015, 13:39:02

Dicehunter
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Originally Posted by Vault-Tec View Post
Without exaggerating. The Fury X, technically, is in a different league to the 980ti. It's spanking new tech.

AMD suck at writing drivers. I'm not going to butter it up, I love AMD, but their drivers suck.

So that leaves me with hope. A lot of hope. It doesn't really bother me any 'cause I run 4k and the AMD will always be cheaper so I'm sold.
It's only really new in the HBM department, I watched a video from a tech pod cast with some industry boffins that went into detail about Fiji just being a rehash of Hawaii, A good rehash but a rehash never the less, core for core weaker than MaxwellV2, I'm paraphrasing somewhat but that was the basics of it.Quote

28-06-2015, 13:42:47

AlienALX
Quote:
Originally Posted by AngryGoldfish View Post
Will the air-cooled Fury Pro be the same specifications as the water cooled Fury X? Didn't TTL post a news article that showed the Fury (Pro) being a slightly chopped up Fiji chip like the 980ti is to the Titan X?
No one knows yet tbh. I would hope they could easily cool Fury X with a Strix or something but it all remains to be seen atm.Quote

28-06-2015, 13:51:23

AngryGoldfish
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Originally Posted by Vault-Tec View Post
No one knows yet tbh. I would hope they could easily cool Fury X with a Strix or something but it all remains to be seen atm.
I'll keep my ear to the ground then and wait a few more weeks before making any big decisions. If Fury Pro can compete with Fury X and is around €600, I'd definitely consider that with a nice IPS 1440p 144Hz Freesync monitor for €650, vs €750 for an MSI 980 ti and €660 for a ROG Swift TN panel.Quote

28-06-2015, 14:20:03

AlienALX
Quote:
Originally Posted by AngryGoldfish View Post
I'll keep my ear to the ground then and wait a few more weeks before making any big decisions. If Fury Pro can compete with Fury X and is around €600, I'd definitely consider that with a nice IPS 1440p 144Hz Freesync monitor for €650, vs €750 for an MSI 980 ti and €660 for a ROG Swift TN panel.
Well in the past Pro cards were always the best. Though why AMD would release second best is a mystery, so I guess it's crap branding FTW again.Quote

28-06-2015, 17:27:25

shambles1980
its probably mostly down to the drivers right now, possibly some api usage could be better with the new memory.
if you look at the comparisons at 4k when your talking 4gb vs 6 or even 12gb the difference really is not that much.
And this on flakey new drivers. "hell when gta came out i couldnt even play it on my amd card. then the very next driver release it was silky smooth" And im talking from Unplayable hitching every few seconds to smooth as butter.
So the difference drivers can make is immence.

Im quite please that its beating the 980 across the board (even with less ram) and competing with the 980ti. (i dont thnk any 1 actually expected it to be a titan x killer did they??)

Amd need to push the price point down so its competing with the 980 price wize rather than the 980 ti, and then you would need to be an extra kind of special fan boy (or not have the mounting options for the rad) to get a 980 instead of the fury x..

I dont really think you will see larger versions of of this card. perhaps heatsinks attached to the pro will make it take up more room in the case. but the actuall pcb i would imagine will only ever get smaller.
Its helps a lot when you can get all your components closer together both with latency and being able to cool them down. provided you can sheild each component from the next you would have everything touching.

any way My oppinion is that its a damn good card. and drivers will only make it better.
Its a great single card option and i would go for it over a dual gpu card (my rig really cant support x fire or sli, so i need the best single card possible. and they still dont have games working perfect for multi gpu setups wether thats a dual gpu card or sli/xfire

the 980 ti is still probably the better card for the money right now. but lets see what price drops will come allong and what price bracket this card eventally ends up in..
Like i said VS the 980 it wins. vs the 980ti.. well you need to get the ti dont you. "but that could all be due to drivers as well"

I would probably hold off on deciding whether to buy the ti or the fury x untill the next Beta release that comes after the next non beta full driver release. (hope that makes sense lol.Quote
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