MSI P55a Fuzion Review
Unigine, 3D Mark Vantage and Crysis
Published: 7th August 2010 | Source: MSI | Price: £250 est. |
For our 3D benchmarks we'll leave the GD85 at home and concentrate on the Fuzion. We will be running with a single GTX480 at stock and overclocked speeds, and also testing the Lucid chip out by combining the Asus GTX480 with a XFX 5870 XXX to see if the chip really can do all that is claimed.
Unigine
Wow. I think it's fair to say the Lucid HYDRA on the MSI P55a Fuzion really does exactly what it claims. We'd expect to see larger overheads from the Hybrid setup than we'd see from a pure CrossfireX or SLI arrangement, mainly due to the need to get two different drivers to talk to each other and every CPU instruction being passed through the Lucid chip first. Even allowing for that it's clear that the benefits are enormous. The maximum frame-rate nearly goes off the chart and the average frame-rate is almost double that of the single card.
Pushing the cards harder by implementing 8xAA actually exaggerates the difference the extra card makes. The stock and overclocked GTX480 start to close up at the GPU becomes the limiting factor at these extreme settings, but with the 5870 in place too we see nearly double the average frame-rate.
3D Mark Vantage
Vantage is very sensitive to any changes because it's such a worldwide standard benchmark and so needs to demonstrate a result of even the smallest adjustment to available performance. Still when we compare the results of our twin setup to the results we obtained in our recent Gigabyte UD9 test it's clear how powerful this P55a Fuzion is. A single GTX480 is 3, THREE, points behind the score we obtained on the UD9, and using the 5870 in Hybrid mode we're only 2000 points behind the score from a pure GTX480 SLI setup.
Moving to High settings the single 480 is 26 points behind the X58 based UD9 and again we see a drop of 2000 points when we have two cards. Regardless of how it compares to the much more expensive board, we can see how brilliant this Fuzion is. 22000 points in a 3D Mark Vantage High is great in anyones book.
Crysis
Finally we wanted to test one of the HYDRA compatible games we have, and what would be better than Crysis? We really wanted to push the system hard and so we ramped everything up to Enthusiast and included 8 times Anti-Aliasing. An image quality that would have had even the greatest systems playing a slide-show last year.
Understandably the Hybrid twin card setup doesn't give quite the performance boost we saw above, but this is less about the difference between the single and twin card, and more that a) it works and b) we get an average of 45FPS even at this insane settings.
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That's pretty impressive actually - they've really put some work into making the hydra chip work and the results speak for themselves.
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were is the review
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o god i feel dumb,i am wandering around this site tho lol i will peal ones eyes nex timeits cos i am uste to them being there in the first post
Great review and appreciation to all those who prepared it, at last the green and the red are working together side by side I bet the Nvidia & ATI fans are furious for how can Cain and Abel be on the same ship together pulling the sails side by side so that the ship can go forward ....sorry I mean FPS unbelievable how technology can evolve and bring two rivals to be partners sitting side by side forgetting all their differences and years of bitter competition united in their glory each GPU helping the other to push those frames higher and higher forgetting their colors and who they actually serve can you imagine England and Wales playing as one team together that’s how big this event is and maybe one day these two companies will unite under one name and that is the consumer off course for he is the god of all and they all bow to his demands.
Man that's a lot of money for a dual PCIE board. Mind you, you do get what you pay for.
I shall have to read it more thoroughly later and see exactly what's going on, but from a skim over the surface isn't it just a driver than does what the Physx mod does?
The only real criticism I can find is that at a glance it looks like a cheap Gigabyte. I really wish companies would spend more time on the design and aesthetics of these boards. Currently the only company I can really see pushing for visual perfection is Asus. The Crosshair IV is almost a form of art, with looks to die for.
DFI make some good looking boards. Sadly that is where it ends. With most people using a side window these days that MSI board is pretty bland.
Yes, I know, performance before beauty and this board seems great for that, but looks are becoming more important.
I shall have to read it more thoroughly later and see exactly what's going on, but from a skim over the surface isn't it just a driver than does what the Physx mod does?
The only real criticism I can find is that at a glance it looks like a cheap Gigabyte. I really wish companies would spend more time on the design and aesthetics of these boards. Currently the only company I can really see pushing for visual perfection is Asus. The Crosshair IV is almost a form of art, with looks to die for.
DFI make some good looking boards. Sadly that is where it ends. With most people using a side window these days that MSI board is pretty bland.
Yes, I know, performance before beauty and this board seems great for that, but looks are becoming more important.
At a glance it looks like a cheap Gigabyte. Hay mate be careful how you choose your words because I don’t feel like buying another M/B after spending 150£ on one this year money doesn’t grow on trees you know how would you like it if I said like a cheap Asrock AliveXfire . Man you’re talking about my wife here my honour my pride just try and say company X or Z that will be more appropriate and wouldn’t hurt people’s feelings. 
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I shall have to read it more thoroughly later and see exactly what's going on, but from a skim over the surface isn't it just a driver than does what the Physx mod does? |
The only real criticism I can find is that at a glance it looks like a cheap Gigabyte. I really wish companies would spend more time on the design and aesthetics of these boards. Currently the only company I can really see pushing for visual perfection is Asus. The Crosshair IV is almost a form of art, with looks to die for.
DFI make some good looking boards. Sadly that is where it ends. With most people using a side window these days that MSI board is pretty bland.
As someone who deals with a lot of "cheap" boards, no this doesn't look cheap. Not quite sure which pictures you're seeing there, but you might want to dig out a "Cheap Gigabyte" and compare. Of course looks are subjective, but it most certainly doesn't look cheap.
VB
PS - anyone who can stand up and say the DFI Lanparty X58 is good-looking needs to go to Specsavers. Although the DFI P55 DK is beyond gorgeous.
I owned a LP dark. Was based on the 790FX IIRC, something like that. Gorgeous looking board. All the slots were a lovely lumo yellow that reacted ace with a black light and the coolers were all very nice and large
Not seen their X58 but in all honesty I wouldn't look any farther than Asus for that..
I think the board here looks cheap because (and most importantly) the NB/SB coolers look a bit pathetic if I'm being honest, especially on a board of that price. Everything just looks a bit sparse.. Mind you, after seeing that animal of a Gigabyte thing recently I would think that
I just took another look and I stand behind my criticism. The 8 pin AUX is in the worst place they could have put it. My Asrock (which was £30 lmao) has a molex there for the PCIE lanes and it's a royal PITA.
Not seen their X58 but in all honesty I wouldn't look any farther than Asus for that..
I think the board here looks cheap because (and most importantly) the NB/SB coolers look a bit pathetic if I'm being honest, especially on a board of that price. Everything just looks a bit sparse.. Mind you, after seeing that animal of a Gigabyte thing recently I would think that
I just took another look and I stand behind my criticism. The 8 pin AUX is in the worst place they could have put it. My Asrock (which was £30 lmao) has a molex there for the PCIE lanes and it's a royal PITA.
I dont suppose you could show us 2x 5870 cfx vs fusion and 2x gtx480 sli vs fusion in game performance? I think this new tech is pretty cool as it gives a lot more freedom when upgrading.
On the topic of looks, it looks fine - but the best looking boards are the newer Asus boards (mainly the ROG ones)
On the topic of looks, it looks fine - but the best looking boards are the newer Asus boards (mainly the ROG ones)
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I dont suppose you could show us 2x 5870 cfx vs fusion and 2x gtx480 sli vs fusion in game performance? I think this new tech is pretty cool as it gives a lot more freedom when upgrading. On the topic of looks, it looks fine - but the best looking boards are the newer Asus boards (mainly the ROG ones) |
A the board has gone already
B we cant test 'everything'
If you read the HYDRA results section of the review you'll see that the results are compared to GTX480 SLI. Also if you look at the UD9 review you can see all the GTX480 multi-card results you wish, and the recent Sapphire 5970 TOXIC dealt with 5870XF results.
Feel free to look around the site for other reviews. The main reason we try to keep all test systems identical is to ensure that you can pull data across from other reviews and still find them valid.
Happy to help.
VB
Feel free to look around the site for other reviews. The main reason we try to keep all test systems identical is to ensure that you can pull data across from other reviews and still find them valid.
Happy to help.
VB
Hey guys I see it on Newegg for $175, if it is in fact the same board then the price smokes your guestimate.
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Hey guys I see it on Newegg for $175, if it is in fact the same board then the price smokes your guestimate. |
When I got my Crosshair a year ago I paid £125. If I was about to pay double that I would want double the function, better cooling on the bridges and so on. The MSI doesn't have much of anything. Sure it performs very very well, but at £250 they'll have a ruddy hard time getting any one to buy it.
Mind you according to Scan the Big Bang board is £262. That's insane man. Actually on closer inspection the Big Bang board has triple PCIE slots, heatpipes accross the upper cooling system (NB & VRMS) and looks much much sexier.
Edit. Actually, looking over this review board again makes me change my opinion of it somewhat. It is nicer than I thought. Tom you need to stop spoiling us with filthy smutty images of £400+ motherboards. It's like making sweet love to gorgeous models and then being chucked back into bed with a regular lass
No 'big' retailers have listed the product yet, but if you click the link you can see where Veebs got the price from. And thats all thats about in the UK atm.
http://www.google.co.uk/products?hl=...-8&sa=N&tab=wf
http://www.google.co.uk/products?hl=...-8&sa=N&tab=wf
OK guys time out, one of my mates has asked me to build him a system he has a Radeon HD5850 leftover from his old AMD system which we sold on eBay yesterday and after I showed him this review he likes the motherboard very much because it has a new idea (ATI+NVIDIA) and he wants a GF460 to go with it I have advised him to go with a second HD5850 but he insists on two different cards he really likes the idea even with his knowledge of the limited game support also being ATI card holder for year now he is very eager to see the Physx on his new system so now can anyone tell me where I can buy this board with quick delivery without messing about because all I have seen so far is 175$ there and 210£ here, it sounds like an auction so seriously has anybody got some solid retailer with good backup service and delivery because I usually buy ether from scan or OCUK also CCL recently.
If it's only Physx he wants to run alongside his 5850 then that can be done on any board. From what I can tell (though it's not clear to me what this lucid chip is really doing) it does do some magic, but it's perfectly possible to run Physx side by side with a Radeon.
Also... If it's only Physx he wants the 460 for it's a terrible waste of cash. A 240 would do it, 8800GT would do it, 9800GT would do it and so on. Recently on this site I ran a test using a 8800 Ultra alongside a 3870x2 and my Physx score in Fluidmark was identical to that of some one who had a 8800 GTS.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the Physx technology that is integrated onto the cards that can run it (240, 8800 GT and so on) is all the same. I mean, if you think about it logically those PCI Physx cards are apparently every bit as good as the Physx that runs on any Nvidia card. I think that the Physx is on the die of the main GPU but a seperate entity.
Also, when I run my 8800U as a Physx card it *never* gets hotter than idle temps. Which just goes to show to me it's either not working very hard at all or if it is then it's not breaking any sweat at all.
I know that this site does not review things in the interest of geeks and science like I do. Fair play to that, they are a new product reviewer. But I would be terribly interested in seeing the two cards used here alongside eachother in a regular dual PCIE slotted board running GenL's Physx mod.
I'm not trying to stir anything up with that, I just find this sort of stuff terribly interesting and geeky. Tech porn, if you will.
Also... If it's only Physx he wants the 460 for it's a terrible waste of cash. A 240 would do it, 8800GT would do it, 9800GT would do it and so on. Recently on this site I ran a test using a 8800 Ultra alongside a 3870x2 and my Physx score in Fluidmark was identical to that of some one who had a 8800 GTS.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the Physx technology that is integrated onto the cards that can run it (240, 8800 GT and so on) is all the same. I mean, if you think about it logically those PCI Physx cards are apparently every bit as good as the Physx that runs on any Nvidia card. I think that the Physx is on the die of the main GPU but a seperate entity.
Also, when I run my 8800U as a Physx card it *never* gets hotter than idle temps. Which just goes to show to me it's either not working very hard at all or if it is then it's not breaking any sweat at all.
I know that this site does not review things in the interest of geeks and science like I do. Fair play to that, they are a new product reviewer. But I would be terribly interested in seeing the two cards used here alongside eachother in a regular dual PCIE slotted board running GenL's Physx mod.
I'm not trying to stir anything up with that, I just find this sort of stuff terribly interesting and geeky. Tech porn, if you will.
Just got to hang on a little bit SH. It's still REALLY new to the marketplace so the stock just isn't about yet.
That's the way that the hardware world is. Sometimes to get the first look at things you get it before it's really buyable. So in a couple of weeks it should be much clearer what the street value is.
"I know VB likes the colour scheme and is very enthusiastic about it but seriously, come on, £250?" - I did say the "rumours are" matey. Not that it's a guaranteed price.
That's the way that the hardware world is. Sometimes to get the first look at things you get it before it's really buyable. So in a couple of weeks it should be much clearer what the street value is.
"I know VB likes the colour scheme and is very enthusiastic about it but seriously, come on, £250?" - I did say the "rumours are" matey. Not that it's a guaranteed price.
Ahhh OK thanks for clearing that up dude. The Big Bang is £262 on Scan. Seems to be waaay more expensive elsewhere but I have a feeling that the £300+ being quoted elsewhere was the RRP. Scan are probably just low balling to try and shift the leftover boards. They had a wicked clearance sale on DFI boards last year.. I got a LP Dark 790FX tri crossfire board for £75. TBH I wish I still had it, as it offered so much more to me (being a red fan now) than the Crosshair 2. But I killed it modding the bios
I would say a fair price for this board here in the review would be £200, but then I have no idea what they are paying Lucid for these chips it uses or how much they cost to produce.. One thing I didn't say was fair play to MSI for actually trying to be different. I have been very impressed recently with Afterburner which IMO is the best piece of software ever for taking your cards by the scruff of the neck and getting them to behave.
I know it's only really a GUI for Rivatuner but that doesn't detract a single thing from it IMO. Utterly awesome tool.
I would say a fair price for this board here in the review would be £200, but then I have no idea what they are paying Lucid for these chips it uses or how much they cost to produce.. One thing I didn't say was fair play to MSI for actually trying to be different. I have been very impressed recently with Afterburner which IMO is the best piece of software ever for taking your cards by the scruff of the neck and getting them to behave.
I know it's only really a GUI for Rivatuner but that doesn't detract a single thing from it IMO. Utterly awesome tool.
But I killed it modding the bios, so you're a bios killer now I think one day there will be a law for that and then you will be in serious trouble because you will be investigated by the cold case bios crime unit and this forum will be evidence against you.
That's OK. I killed two Crosshair 2s by modding the bios too. Then I realised that the software Asus give you to mod the logo sorta like, doesn't work.
Good to see that it's listed as only £150 on Scan: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/MSI-P...3Gb-s-RAID-ATX
That should bring it up to a 10 for price
That should bring it up to a 10 for price
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Good to see that it's listed as only £150 on Scan: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/MSI-P...3Gb-s-RAID-ATX That should bring it up to a 10 for price |
I'd be very surprised if they actually retail it at £150 once they've got some in stock. If so it's completely a no-brainer.
http://www.scan.co.uk/Product.aspx?WebProductID=1299042&source=froogle
Bargain. I'm gonna ask for one for my 21st I think. I cba to go back to the review but did it say if you have an ATi card that running it with the lucid+hydra setup you can get phys x from the chip?
Bargain. I'm gonna ask for one for my 21st I think. I cba to go back to the review but did it say if you have an ATi card that running it with the lucid+hydra setup you can get phys x from the chip?
It is a fantastic price tbh.
Even for a full sized board that supports SLI and crossfire (and hybrid with the right drivers) it's a good board but I don't think I would buy it purely for Lucid.
Just my opinion of course and I am probably wrong as usual
Edit. I was wrong I think. According to Scan it doesn't support SLI. S'a bit odd isn't it?
Even for a full sized board that supports SLI and crossfire (and hybrid with the right drivers) it's a good board but I don't think I would buy it purely for Lucid.
Just my opinion of course and I am probably wrong as usual
Edit. I was wrong I think. According to Scan it doesn't support SLI. S'a bit odd isn't it?
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