AMD Athlon II X2 250 Processor Review

Introduction

Introduction
 
In June of this year, AMD launched it's budget/mainstream line of processors named Athlon II. Asleep already? If so, I urge you to try and tune in once more as it is a rather important product family. As the name may suggest, no it certainly won't set the world on fire with it's performance but who would it expect it to do so? The main criteria of a successful mainstream processor is to offer a very high level of performance given it's retail price. Whether you're someone who is looking to buy a budget system prebuilt from a high street retailer or whether you're a DIY Systems Builder who simply has to build to a budget, these releases are very important indeed. This combined with AMD's typically lower ownership costs as well as the decline of DDR3 pricing could make for some rather interesting results. Let's take a closer look at the Athlon II X2 250 processor
 
Processor AMD Athlon II X2 250 AMD Phenom II X2 550BE AMD Phenom II X4 955BE
Core Regor
Callisto
(Crippled Deneb Quad)
Deneb
Clock Speed 3000MHz 3100MHz 3200MHz
L2 Cache 2 x 1024kB 2 x 512kB 4 x 512kB
L3 Cache n/a 6144kB 6144kB
Price / £ £55 £75 £145
 
The AMD Athlon II X2 250, is currently the fastest processor of it's product family. As you may have observed, the Athlon II sports a new core. While it has many similarities with the AMD Phenom II "Deneb" core, it has absolutely no Level 3 cache but instead has two dedicated banks of 1024kB Level 2 cache, an increase from the 512kB per core found on Phenom II. While the loss of so much Level 3 cache would surely hamper the processor's performance in certain applications, the increase in Level 2 cache does compensate somewhat. The main advantage of this arrangement means that the size of the core has decreased, making it cheaper to produce and also allows the processor to sit in the lower 65W TDP envelope. The only other advantage is from AMD's point of view, in that they don't have to speed bin and cripple perfectly good Deneb Quad Cores in order to meet a quota of lower end stock. Speaking of price, this 3.00GHz unit weighs in at just £55. On paper, this sounds like a fairly reasonable proposition but with this comes our testing theory...
 
It's all well and good that this processor is designed to be a somewhat no frills, cheap and cheerful unit compared to it's more powerful siblings. But how close does this processor get to popular, proven but more expensive units such as...let's say the Core 2 Duo E8400? This could be argued as a rather unfair test and I'm sure that some of you might well be raising an eyebrow about now. Nothing is impossible however and even though this particular processor may resemble an AMD Athlon 64 X2 processor due to it's lack of Level 3 Cache, one would be tempted to say that it'd be a rather interesting battle. Interesting it shall be and on that bomb shell I shall say no more until our testbeds are spooled up and ready to go!
 
AMD Testbed
Intel Testbed
AMD Athlon II X2 250 3.00GHz
Gigabyte MA770T UD3P Socket AM3
4GB Corsair DDR3-1333 RAM
nVidia GeForce 8800GT 512mb GDDR3 (Forceware 190.38)
320GB Samsung HD322HJ "F1" 7200RPM HDD
LG 22x DVD+/-RW
Windows Vista Home Premium
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.00GHz
Foxconn BlackOps X48 LGA775
4GB Corsair DDR3-1333 RAM
nVidia GeForce 8800GT 512mb GDDR3 (Forceware 190.38)
320GB Samsung HD322HJ "F1" 7200RPM HDD
LG 22x DVD+/-RW
Windows Vista Home Premium
 
 
Overclocking
 
Overclocking the AMD Athlon II is not particularly difficult but there is more to think about when compared to the equivalent Core 2 Duo setup. Overclocking a Core 2 Duo would usually involve reducing the initial memory speed and simply ramping up the Front Side Bus speed until it can't take anymore, at which point you may consider voltage increases to push further. On the AMD Phenom II platform, we have a Hypertransport Base Frequency, which acts as the variable that you raise to overclock. Then we have a multiplier that derives the overall Hypertransport Link Speed, which you may need to regulate in order to reach a higher clock speed. Then finally, we also have a multiplier that derives a Northbridge Frequency, something that you want as high as possible to get the most out of your processor. Unlike AMD's "Black Edition" CPU's, standard processors such as the Athlon II have CPU Multipliers (the multiplier that derives the overall core frequencies) that are only unlocked downwards but not upwards. The implication of this is that there is a larger dependence on the motherboard to reach a higher Hypertransport Base Frequency.
 
Our particular AMD Athlon II had a default core voltage of 1.3500V. AMD K10's are particularly fond of lower temperatures and thanks to a simpler core (relative to the Phenom II) low temperatures were indeed what we were gifted with.
 
 
With the default voltage of 1.3500V, our X2 250 processor sailed to 3.60GHz with a HTT Link Speed of 1920MHz (8x base) and a Northbridge Frequency of 2160MHz (9x base). With load temperatures hovering in the late 30's, we certainly weren't finished.
 
After a bit of tweaking and testing, we found the sweet spot of this processor at a rather frisky 3.90GHz with a HTT Link Speed of 1820MHz (7x base) and a Northbridge Frequency of 2600MHz (10x base), retaining the memory's clockspeed at around 1333MHz with 7-7-7-20 timings. This required 1.5250V for 24/7 stable operation and the load temperatures peaked at no higher than 47c with our modest Arctic Freezer 64 Pro Heatsink.
 
So how well will AMD's £55 wonder stack up against the mighty Core 2 Duo E8400? Let's find out.
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29-08-2009, 06:30:41

JN
"In June of this year, AMD launched it's budget/mainstream line of processors named Athlon II. Today we checkout the top-end X2 250 model." -by Mul.

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AMD Athlon II X2 250 Processor Review

29-08-2009, 06:48:44

tinytomlogan
Much cheaper than the 8400 but still just pipped to the post in benches. Makes me wonder if its FSB related though. Nice clock for a cheap chip though

29-08-2009, 06:49:49

Rastalovich
Good review comparison.

I think this Athlon is very good value for the weight it's punching at.

29-08-2009, 07:54:16

Zoot
Nice review. Great value for money.

Its a CPU like this that I think I'll put in that new Linux box for the parents.

30-08-2009, 08:58:58

Mul.
Quote:
Originally Posted by name='tinytomlogan'
Much cheaper than the 8400 but still just pipped to the post in benches. Makes me wonder if its FSB related though. Nice clock for a cheap chip though
You are indeed onto something there. While higher HTT Base Clocks or even the HTT Link Speed has little bearing on performance unless ran well under 1.0GHz, high Northbridge Frequencies, such as an increase from 2.0GHz to 2.60GHz makes a notable difference. Perhaps some official testing with regards to Northbridge Frequency would be an interesting read?

01-09-2009, 14:38:31

Diablo
For the price of a pentium 5200, I would be tempted to use one of these, especially if I was building a budget machine for a (non-overclocking) relative. It looks like a pretty good punch for its price, even if it is beaten by the 8400.

01-09-2009, 17:22:08

Rastalovich
Got a mail-shot from Aria today for E5200 about £40 including vat.

01-09-2009, 17:36:27

Diablo
Hmmm...I might still be tempted by the athlon if I were to put it in someone's pc and forget about it, I can't see trying to explain to a relative how to alter the bios of an unfamiliar machine over the phone being much fun.

Still a good price there for the 5200

02-09-2009, 06:07:39

Rastalovich
It's very much not like the old days with pc kit.

Previously u would argue with urself if to get a new generation or previous generation.

A 4g (very cheap), 775 mobo (top end blood £80 somewhere), E5200 (very cheap). Possibly £165 for the lot, cheaper 775 mobos are out there too.

.. and spend all ur cash on the gpu.

That rig will flatten any game.

Can it oc ? Of-friggin-course it can.

02-09-2009, 07:22:35

Mul.
Quote:
Originally Posted by name='Rastalovich'
Got a mail-shot from Aria today for E5200 about £40 including vat.
I received this as well. Stonking price for a monster overclocker though a shame that after postage isn't priced too far from the likes of other sites that offer free postage.

02-09-2009, 09:06:38

Rastalovich
Quote:
Originally Posted by name='Rastalovich'

A 4g (very cheap), 775 mobo (top end blood £80 somewhere), E5200 (very cheap). Possibly £165 for the lot, cheaper 775 mobos are out there too.
£220 for the top single gpu.

£40 for a hdd

£20 for an optical

£50 for a case.

£75 for a psu.

£30 cooler.

£600 for a rig that'll play anything as-good as ur m8s' i7.

U could skimp £100 here and there on bits, being picky.

Hehe modern tech is a joke.

20-03-2010, 06:56:11

XAFAfterShock
what was your NB voltage set at when you pushed the NB to 2600? I have the asus m4a77td with the same chipset but unable to get it stable at 3.9GHZ using the same settings.

21-03-2010, 08:57:50

Mul.
Hi

The Northbridge frequency of 2600MHz was attained at default voltages. Do bear in mind that your mileage may vary with any overclock and sometimes, the limits of the integrated memory controller can be as low as 2200-2400MHz.

Hope that helps.

21-03-2010, 17:40:52

XAFAfterShock
I've been screwing with my board for 2 days straight trying different settings, I was just fine at 3750 using 250x15 with a 1.45 vcore 2000mhz HT and 2500MHZ CPU/NB and I was able to keep my ram at 1666 with 1.8v instead of lowering it to 1333 and the rest of the voltages were set to auto then ran it through 12 hours of prime blend and 12 hours of occt which both passed then the other day while playing a game it froze so I rechecked with prime95 and it got about 5 min into the test and failed. I have no probs running the large or small fft tests its just anything that uses lots of ram. I even backed the timings off as far as 9-9-9-26 and ran memtest overnight with no errors. you think raising the HT to 2200 might help? I would prefer to keep my ram just slightly overclocked if possible. I have to get stable at 250x15 before I can shoot for 260x15 but I'm just lost as to why it all of a sudden it went from good enough to crap lol

30-12-2010, 01:11:11

Filekutter
Thanks for the review. I've been squirreling away money when I can to replace this aging rig I have now, and was not that pleased with the info I got in my first few searches. Well, a quick change to the search string and OC3D was there. LOL! I picked up the Athlon 2 250 for about $50 and an Asus M4N68t-M for about the same. Next is ram, then the vid card. And yes I"m still drooling over SSDs. But, I do want to thank you for letting me know what I'll be running and its capabilities. Excellently written and researched, IMHO.

30-01-2011, 15:30:10

KTCRITCH
I have one of those, excellent for OC. I got mine quite high and stable.
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