Intel approached AMD to access Mantle

Intel's Mantle?

Intel approached AMD to access Mantle

AMD launched its “close to the metal” Mantle API last year, which has allowed select game developers to dramatically increase their games performance on systems using AMD Graphics.

It has been confirmed that Intel has been asking AMD for access to Mantle code for what they call an “experiment”, likely to test for themselves what performance gains they could see from their Integrated Graphics.

Why would Intel want to utilise AMD’s Mantle API?

 Well Intel isn’t exactly a slouch when it comes to GPU market share, holding a reported 66% of the market, double of AMD and Nvidia’s combined 33% of GPUs sold last quarter. 

While Intel do not produce any high end Graphics solutions, the low end of the market is dominated by the brand and with the rise of AMD’s APUs Intel could potentially lose some of this market share. One of the greatest advantages Mantle provides is to lower end AMD GPU systems, which particularly helps their APUs, so if Intel wish to hold onto the budget segment they may wish to either dramatically improve their integrated GPU performance and/ or adopt a similar low level API.

 Intel approached AMD to access Mantle  Intel approached AMD to access Mantle  

Intel hasn’t publically committed to a low level API, but simply put creating their own would be an expensive and very time consuming effort, and then they will have to try to force adoption. At present Mantle exists, is proven to reduce overhead and has already been adopted by 47 game developers.

So far AMD has not given Intel any Mantle code to test with, instead asking them to wait for the Public Mantle 1.0 Release later this year, where Intel and any other interested party will have access to open, non-beta code.

The Future of Mantle

As said above Mantle will have its public towards the end of this year, where Mantle will move from the by no means small amount of Beta developers to a point where everyone will have access. At this point even Intel and Nvidia will be able to support this API with a simple driver update.

From here Mantle will get much more interesting, releasing publically with over a year head start over DX12 and with AMD’s Chief Gaming Scientist Richard Huddy stating that AMD will be bringing Mantle to Linux and by extension SteamOS Mantle, providing Mantle enabled games a whole new System to market too, whereas DX12 will likely never support Linux.

Intel approached AMD to access Mantle

If you didn’t think Mantle was going to be big before, I assure you it will. If Intel like what Mantle can offer them and add driver support when Mantle 1.0 is released we can almost be certain the a disgruntled Nvidia will follow suit, given AMD and Intel’s combined GPU market shares.

 

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04-07-2014, 08:12:32

WYP
It looks like Intel might be looking to adopt AMD's Mantle tech, will Nvidia follow Suit?

http://www.overclock3d.net/gfx/artic...80358841l.jpeg

Continue Reading hereQuote

04-07-2014, 08:20:23

vorticalbox
Seen this a while ago it's more that they are going to just have a play in their labs.

Though if Intel decided to support mantel it could shift the industry away from directx and to an open standard and thats good for everyone.Quote

04-07-2014, 08:29:13

MadShadow
Yes, everyone should use the same, open standards because it makes development and innovation easier. All of these different platforms/engines/apis just get in the way.Quote

04-07-2014, 08:32:44

WYP
Quote:
Originally Posted by vorticalbox View Post
Seen this a while ago it's more that they are going to just have a play in their labs.

Though if Intel decided to support mantel it could shift the industry away from directx and to an open standard and thats good for everyone.
Yeah, and if Mantle comes to Linux it will be very likely for others to adopt mantle, OpenGL will no longer be the only game in town. And if Intel Adopt Mantle Nvidia will have to follow, if well over half the GPUs out there support it Nvidia can't just sit there and ignore it.

Intel may also need all the performance they can get to try and beat AMD's APUs, afterall the APUs are already better for gaming, even without mantle. With it there is no contest.Quote

04-07-2014, 08:41:14

son of spanner
it would be nice if they did that but, I think amd will hold them to ransom over it you only have to look at amd cpu wise they are not even in the same ball park im sure they will try and claw something out of themQuote

04-07-2014, 08:47:27

cooperman
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Originally Posted by son of spanner View Post
it would be nice if they did that but, I think amd will hold them to ransom over it you only have to look at amd cpu wise they are not even in the same ball park im sure they will try and claw something out of them
I dont see why AMD will hold anything to ransom,intel cpu's have has AMD technology in them for over a decade (x86-64bit instruction set)Quote

04-07-2014, 08:50:08

WYP
Quote:
Originally Posted by son of spanner View Post
it would be nice if they did that but, I think amd will hold them to ransom over it you only have to look at amd cpu wise they are not even in the same ball park im sure they will try and claw something out of them
If AMD gain Intel's support for mantle, more and more devs will support it, which will lower CPU overhead for more games. AMD don't need to have Intel to pay them to make it worthwhile.

Also if Intel and Linux support forces Nvidia to use Mantle it will be an even more Major Victory.Quote

04-07-2014, 08:57:27

son of spanner
will I think they will for one reason mantle works unlike some of there past ideas like the first bulldozer cpu,s im not a intel fan boy I used to have 1100t
its all about money why give something away free to people who are competing
with you just stands to reasonQuote

04-07-2014, 09:06:21

barnsley
Quote:
Originally Posted by son of spanner View Post
will I think they will for one reason mantle works unlike some of there past ideas like the first bulldozer cpu,s im not a intel fan boy I used to have 1100t
its all about money why give something away free to people who are competing
with you just stands to reason
It brings alot of positive publicity to AMD and it doesn't benefit most intel cpus very much at the moment.Quote

04-07-2014, 09:22:50

son of spanner
well only time will tel its not like they will tel us what deal they makeQuote

04-07-2014, 09:38:13

vorticalbox
Quote:
Originally Posted by Watsyerproblem View Post
Yeah, and if Mantle comes to Linux it will be very likely for others to adopt mantle, OpenGL will no longer be the only game in town. And if Intel Adopt Mantle Nvidia will have to follow, if well over half the GPUs out there support it Nvidia can't just sit there and ignore it.

Intel may also need all the performance they can get to try and beat AMD's APUs, afterall the APUs are already better for gaming, even without mantle. With it there is no contest.
They could be working on APU type chips. What worries me is that what ever intel decides to do could change PC gaming forever.

As you said linux and by extension steamOS could be the new gaming platform.

AMD could even push it on to android and make a direct competitor to shield.Quote

04-07-2014, 10:11:33

Kushiro
Quote:
Originally Posted by son of spanner View Post
it would be nice if they did that but, I think amd will hold them to ransom over it you only have to look at amd cpu wise they are not even in the same ball park im sure they will try and claw something out of them
Maybe you should actually read the article before sprouting such nonsense.

From the article: "So far AMD has not given Intel any Mantle code to test with, instead asking them to wait for the Public Mantle 1.0 Release later this year, where Intel and any other interested party will have access to open, non-beta code."

Also the main reason AMD developed Mantle in the first place, was to aid in their effort in enabling their weaker CPU's more competitive, one very good example of this was the MSI GX60, the AMD CPU absolutely crippled the 7970M (and its successors) in CPU intensive games etc. Though it was mainly to make their APU's more compelling, as AMDs integrated graphics far outpaces its CPU.

EDIT: Forgot to highlight intel.Quote

04-07-2014, 10:19:53

looz
I still don't understand what good mantle brings to the table when compared to OpenGL. They took a hint of Mantle's low overhead and as such OpenGL already has similar capabilities.Quote

04-07-2014, 11:48:07

son of spanner
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Originally Posted by Newbie_NS810 View Post
Maybe you should actually read the article before sprouting such nonsense.

From the article: "So far AMD has not given Intel any Mantle code to test with, instead asking them to wait for the Public Mantle 1.0 Release later this year, where Intel and any other interested party will have access to open, non-beta code."

Also the main reason AMD developed Mantle in the first place, was to aid in their effort in enabling their weaker CPU's more competitive, one very good example of this was the MSI GX60, the AMD CPU absolutely crippled the 7970M (and its successors) in CPU intensive games etc. Though it was mainly to make their APU's more compelling, as AMDs integrated graphics far outpaces its CPU.

EDIT: Forgot to highlight Intel.
and ..... the point being

amd own the software right the only thing its saying is that amd will let them try it if and it a big if Intel decide to use amd,s api Intel will have to pay for it

it goes for any kind of software from api,s to os,s
don't see how that's nonsense that's just good businessQuote

04-07-2014, 11:50:52

vorticalbox
Quote:
Originally Posted by son of spanner View Post
and ..... the point being

amd own the software right the only thing its saying is that amd will let them try it if and it a big if Intel decide to use amd,s api Intel will have to pay for it

it goes for any kind of software from api,s to os,s
don't see how that's nonsense that's just good business
no the API are open so free for everyone.Quote

04-07-2014, 11:53:54

barnsley
Quote:
Originally Posted by son of spanner View Post
and ..... the point being

amd own the software right the only thing its saying is that amd will let them try it if and it a big if Intel decide to use amd,s api Intel will have to pay for it

it goes for any kind of software from api,s to os,s
don't see how that's nonsense that's just good business
Its open source.Quote

04-07-2014, 11:56:09

Kushiro
Quote:
Originally Posted by Newbie_NS810 View Post
From the article: "So far AMD has not given Intel any Mantle code to test with, instead asking them to wait for the Public Mantle 1.0 Release later this year, where Intel and any other interested party will have access to open, non-beta code."
Here ya go, read it again.

Also I believe I covered the good business part too.Quote

04-07-2014, 11:56:26

WYP
Quote:
Originally Posted by son of spanner View Post
and ..... the point being

amd own the software right the only thing its saying is that amd will let them try it if and it a big if Intel decide to use amd,s api Intel will have to pay for it

it goes for any kind of software from api,s to os,s
don't see how that's nonsense that's just good business
You need to remember that AMD is championing open standards at the minute.

Examples being;

1. their hate for Gameworks without open access to source code
2. Their work on OpenCL
3. Adaptive Sync and Dockport within the Displayport standard

For mantle to suceed, AMD need to get adoption, the easiest way to do that is to make it open and free.Quote

04-07-2014, 11:59:26

vorticalbox
Quote:
Originally Posted by Watsyerproblem View Post
You need to remember that AMD is championing open standards at the minute.

Examples being;

1. their hate for Gameworks without open access to source code
2. Their work on OpenCL
3. Adaptive Sync and Dockport within the Displayport standard

For mantle to suceed, AMD need to get adoption, the easiest way to do that is to make it open and free.
Linux has been doing it for years and still isn't really there though android is a great example of open source software that makes you money.

Google has built an ecosystem around it not sure how AMD are going pull the money out of this, maybe they are betting on Nvidia being stubborn and just refusing to support it.Quote

04-07-2014, 12:09:36

Kushiro
To be honest, I dont think AMD is intending to directly make money from this, as before I think it is more of something to help boost their sales of processors and giving their processors the much needed ability to be able to compete with intel, even if it is just on some fronts.Quote

04-07-2014, 12:12:08

son of spanner
Quote:
Originally Posted by Watsyerproblem View Post
You need to remember that AMD is championing open standards at the minute.

Examples being;

1. their hate for Gameworks without open access to source code
2. Their work on OpenCL
3. Adaptive Sync and Dockport within the Displayport standard

For mantle to suceed, AMD need to get adoption, the easiest way to do that is to make it open and free.
thanks for the example

maybe I misread or didn't see what's there as I was thinking it was going to become part of amd catalyst softwareQuote

04-07-2014, 12:13:47

vorticalbox
Quote:
Originally Posted by Newbie_NS810 View Post
To be honest, I dont think AMD is intending to directly make money from this, as before I think it is more of something to help boost their sales of processors and giving their processors the much needed ability to be able to compete with intel, even if it is just on some fronts.
never thought of it like that, seeing as libary office (the opens ource one i forget its name) support mantle making spreadsheets super fast.Quote

04-07-2014, 12:23:33

barnsley
Quote:
Originally Posted by vorticalbox View Post
never thought of it like that, seeing as libary office (the opens ource one i forget its name) support mantle making spreadsheets super fast.
Libre?Quote

04-07-2014, 12:40:38

vorticalbox
Quote:
Originally Posted by barnsley View Post
Libre?
that's the one, if you have a massive spreadsheet say for comanpany shares and updating one number changes a lot you can save a lot of time with mantle.

mantle isn't all about gaming so intel my be looking into support for there cores and not just their graphicsQuote
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